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  1. Jess & Elsie QA and Podhive Coaching Call
    09-16-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Member launches, tracking stats, and many wins!
  2. 09-14-21- Elise's QA- Artwork, downloads, and sponsorship
  3. 09-09-21- Traci's Coaching Call- talking tools of inspiration, and ways we do our best thinking
  4. 09-02-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Launches, Show Descriptions and International Podcast Day!
  5. 08-31-21- Elsie's QA- Big Elsie Thoughts on all the shoulds of podcasting.
  6. 08-26-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Tips to avoid podfade, rebranding, and launch
  7. 08-24-21- Jess' QA- Closet clean out, partnership and networks, and more fun parties planned for SPL
  8. 08-19-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Connection and community, terms of service, and Apple Podcasts
  9. 08-17-21- Elsie's QA- Content warnings, "my story" suggestions and more
  10. 08-12-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Finding your visibility and working your network.
  11. 08-10-21- Jess QA- Jessica summarizes her experience at Podcast Movement and live events in 2021.
  12. 08-04-21- Elsie QA! Elsie’s hacks
  13. 07-29-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Trademarks, growing your audience, and podcast planning
  14. 07-27-21- Jess QA- Launch checklists, social media trends, and live events
  15. 07-22-21- Traci’s Coaching Call- Finding support in your community and summer break!
  16. 07-20-21- Elsie's QA- A lot of talk about lifestyle, including ADHD, crippling anxiety and hormones
  17. 07-15-21- Traci's Coaching Call- SEO and URLs, time management and starting where you are.
  18. 07-13-21- Jess- talks social media and the group shares their excitement for SPL
  19. 07-08-21- Traci's Coaching Call- PR tips and pitching yourself, collaborations, and great SEO tips
  20. 07-06-21- Elsie QA- Elsie talks audacity and alternatives. Link to News Your Can Use from the FB LIVE!
  21. 07-01-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Self-care tips, maximizing LinkedIn, and terms and agreements
  22. 06-29-21- Jess' QA- Naming your podcast, workflows and SPL
  23. 06-24-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Celebrating wins, branding online
  24. 06-22-21- Elsie- Elsie talks faux pas, burn out, remote interviews, and Zoom fatigue
  25. 06-17-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Branding, support, making your podcast searchable, release dates
  26. 06-15-21- Jess- Release schedules, branding dilemmas, and taglines.
  27. 06-10-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Support and wins, rebranding and branding strategy
  28. 06-08-21- Elsie's QA- Is a listen the same as a download?, the benefit of third party podcast services, and finding the right people
  29. 06-03-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Taking a break between episodes
  30. 06-01-21- Jess- Membership sites, content calendar, and super-secret birthday surprizes.
  31. 05-27-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Members share their wins, talks about setting your podcast up for success and how to preserve your energy while launching.
  32. 05-25-21- Elsie's QA- Talks; bugs with the new Apple update, keeping it authentic, and website integrations
  33. 05-20-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Talks about editing and interviews
  34. 05-13-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Traci answers questions about the Spotify + Apple Podcasts subscriptions among other things
  35. 05-11-21- Elsie's QA- A question about Apple Podcasts artwork not showing up and a super deep into Elsie's own productivity journey
  36. 04-05-21- Jess' QA - Podcast sponsorships, audience engagement, podcast hosts and community input.
  37. 04-29-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Rapid fire information- prepare for 1.5hr call next week, marketing and challenges that podcasters face.
  38. 04-27-21- Elsie's QA- New Apple Podcasts and Spotify subscription announcements!
  39. 04-22-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Relationships with co-hosts, difficult conversations and member support
  40. 04-15-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Clubhouse, self care, and new opportunities
  41. 04-13-21 - Elsie - Content for premium podcasts and expectations around $$
  42. 04-08-21 - Traci's Coaching Call- Fears around perfectionism and podcasting to publishing
  43. 04-01-21 - Traci's Coaching Call- Email lists, social media marketing, and trying new things
  44. 3-31-21 - Elsie - Rebranding, posting to YouTube, and marketing to your subscribers
  45. 3-25-21 - Traci's Coaching Call- Workflows and marketing strategies
  46. 3-23-21- Jess – Design talk, rebranding, consulting and monetization
  47. 03-18-21- Traci’s Coaching Call- Workflow Tips
  48. 03-16-21- Elsie - A walkthrough of the upcoming iOS 14.5 Apple Podcasts changes & Why artwork is even more important now
  49. 03-11-21 - Traci's Coaching Call- All about sponsorships
  50. 03-09-21 - Jessica - How much data is too much?
  51. 03-04-21 - Traci's Coaching Call
  52. 03-02-21 - Elsie- Engagement, Early Release & Adult Content
  53. 02-23-21 - Jessica- Talking Engagement in your Niche
  54. 02-18-21 - Traci's Coaching call
  55. 02-16-21 - Elsie's QA testing out Run The World
  56. 02-11-21 - Traci's Coaching call
  57. 02-09-21- Jessica- Media Kits, Website Links
  58. 02-04-21 - Traci's Coaching call
  59. 02-02-21 - Elsie
  60. 1-26-21 - Jessica
  61. 01-21-21 - Traci's Coaching call
  62. 01-19-21 - Elsie
  63. 01-12-21- Jessica
  64. 01-07-21 - Traci's Coaching Call
  65. 12-22-20- Elsie QA- Planning for 2021
  66. 12-17-20 - Traci's Coaching Call
  67. 12-15-20 - Elsie
  68. 12-01-20 – Elsie
  69. 11-19-20- Traci Coaching Call
  70. 11-17-20 - Elsie
  71. 11-12-20- Traci Coaching Call
  72. 11-10-20 - Jessica
  73. 11-05-20- Traci's Coaching Call
  74. 11-03-20 - Elsie
  75. 10-27-20 - Jessica
  76. 10-17-20 - Elsie
  77. 10-12-20 - Jessica
  78. 10-06-20 - Elsie
  79. 09-29-20 - Jessica
  80. 09-22-20 - Elsie
  81. 09-14-20 - Jessica
  82. 09-08-20 - Elsie
  83. 09-01-20 - Jessica
  84. 08-01-20 - Elsie
  85. Special Jess & Elsie QA!
  86. 07-11-20 - Elsie
  87. 06-23-20 - Jessica
  88. 06-15-20 - Elsie
  89. 06-9-20 - Jessica
  90. 06-02-20 - Elsie
  91. 05-28-20 - Jessica
  92. 05-20-20 - Elsie
  93. 05-12-20 - Jessica
  94. 05-05-20 - Elsie
  95. 04-28-20 - Jessica
  96. 04-21-20 - Elsie
  97. 04-14-20 - Jessica
  98. 04-07-20 - Elsie
  99. 03-31-20 - Jessica
  100. 03-30-20 - Elsie
  101. 03-24-20 - Elsie
  102. 03-17-20 - Jessica
  103. 02-25-20 - Elsie
  104. 02-18-20 - Elsie
  105. 02-11-20 - (Take 1) - Jessica
  106. 02-11-20 - (Take 2) - Jessica
  107. 02-11-20 - Jessica
  108. 02-04-20 - Elsie
  109. 01-28-20 - Jessica
  110. 01-21-20 - Elsie
  111. 01-14-20 - Jessica
  112. 12-19-19 - Elsie
  113. 12-17-19 - Jessica
  114. 12-3-19 - Jessica
  115. 11-26-19 - Elsie
  116. 11-12-19 - Elsie
  117. 11-09-19 - Jessica
  118. 11-09-19 - Take 2 - Jessica
  119. 11-7-18 - Jessica
  120. 11-5-19 - Jessica
  121. 10-29-19 - Elsie
  122. 9-24-19 - Elsie
  123. 9-17-19 - Elsie
  124. 9-11-19 - Jessica
  125. 9-3-19 - Elsie
  126. 8-27-19 - Jessica
  127. 8-20-19 - Elsie
  128. 8-7-19 - Jessica
  129. 7-16-19 - Elsie
  130. 7-11-19 - Jessica
  131. 7-3-19 - Elsie
  132. 6-28-19 - Jessica
  133. 6-28-19 - Elsie
  134. 6-11-19 - Jessica
  135. 5-28-19 - Jessica
  136. 5-23-19 - Elsie
  137. 5-14-19 - Jessica
  138. 5-9-19 - Elsie - Podfund Discussion
  139. 5-7-19 - Elsie
  140. 4-30-19 - Jessica
  141. 4-16-19 - Jessica
  142. 3-19-19 - Jessica
  143. 2-19-19 - Jessica
  144. 2-5-19 - Jessica
  145. 9-27-18 - Jessica
  146. 9-20-18 - Jessica
Lesson 24 of 146

06-22-21- Elsie- Elsie talks faux pas, burn out, remote interviews, and Zoom fatigue

Questions:

Q: [04:31] What if one of you favorite shows what you consider a faux pas or a possible editing mistake – do you tell them?

Q: [12:28] What if life gets in the way and you simply cannot produce your show? What are some best practices to deal with it?

Q: [28:47] Have folks been seeing a substantial drop in download numbers in the past few month or so?

Q: [30:39] Is there a way that podcasters can promote their shows, based around the idea of zoom fatigue? As in, aren’t you sick of having to show up on Zoom and podcasters are better.

Q: [39:36] The absolute best practices for a new podcaster recording remote interviews — we promise you’ve never heard that type of advice that Elsie shares in this QA!

Transcription:

Well, first of all your T shirt is rocking. Karen Are you about to speak? I’m sorry. I don’t want to be sure. Like my Yeah, t shirt is rockin I have this wasn’t a planned question. But since Jeez, it’s really interesting. I was listening to a podcast this morning on my walk. Which by the way, sorry for trying to join you guys at 10 if you’ve got like three alerts have led me into the meeting. It’s using Thursdays time with Tuesday’s time So okay, Cheryl, what the heck, it’s not nothing for an hour. And now it’s not having for an hour half anyway. So I’m listening to a podcast this morning on my walk because I realize a guest that’s going to be on my I’m interviewing on Thursday. I haven’t even though I know boodles about her. I don’t really I’ve never really listened to her podcast. So long story short. I do believe it was on her guests. And however, somebody out of the two was using the facilities in the recording, and you could hear them and the toilet flush. been washed. And I’m like, do I mean this is a pretty Prominent person and a prominent person they were interviewing. So my question is, how did they not hear it? Is it because the person was so prominent? They didn’t want to not err there, I’m doing a double negative. They didn’t want to get airing their interview. Do I say something? And what if it was the host?

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Elsie Escobar5:27Oh, my gosh. Well, it depends on what you want from that interaction. You know, I mean, there’s, there’s the general, what were you thinking question that would come to me. Like, I just don’t I, it’s one of those things where I feel it is a sensibility kind of thing, meaning, I can’t imagine a time where I would put out a show where I would not take that out. I just can’t, I can’t, I can’t imagine that. I mean, for myself, like, even if I’m doing QA and stuff like that, I can’t imagine a point, when I would be like, this is so important. The right here that I’m going to leave this in there. The other aspect of would have been, if whoever was doing a was doing the show, meaning the person who was recording it, right. However, prominent, prominent they are, they might have recorded it on zoom, and sent it to their person to edit. And then that person, whoever is there, I’m assuming it’s a VA type of editor who doesn’t really edit too much. And then they just released it, because they don’t historically, listen to the podcast episode. They just do what they’re supposed to do after they get the file, right? They do the stuff, they add the intro, the outro, whatever, converted to an mp3 and out it goes like nobody ever listens to it. I’m wondering if that might have been the case, where it wasn’t something that they thought out. And somebody might have dropped the ball afterwards. It’s sort of like, did you know that your skirts stocked up into your panties? Or do you know that you have toilet paper on the bottom of your shoe? Or salad in your teeth? Or Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that somebody didn’t tell you and you’re like, Oh, crap, I didn’t even know because you know, there’s been some times when I come home, and I’m like, Why didn’t anybody tell me that I have this thing in my base? Right? nobody says anything. So I’m wondering if that might be the case. And maybe that’s the good way, a good way for you to approach it.1Speaker 17:47Which is how, because I care enough about this person that I think they would absolutely be appalled. If they, however, again, what if it was them?

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Elsie Escobar7:57What if it was them? It’s okay. Because if it was them, then they know, because that would be even more humiliating? Right? Okay,1Speaker 18:08so how would I phrase that? How would I very just magically change?

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Elsie Escobar8:13Yeah, no, you could just definitely reach out to them and say, Hey, and I would give them, I would give them a, I would give them a timecode. And I would say, I just listened to you know, Episode 30. And in at about, like, five minute and 15. second mark. Y’all were talking about blah, blah, blah, blah, but there’s a sound in the background. And I don’t know if you want to, like put an emoji in there. Or you could say like, it sounds like, this is what it sounded like to me. I don’t know. Or you could say something like that. It sounded as if somebody was using the facilities. I don’t know if that was the case or not. But it was a little bit jarring to me. And I was listening to it. I just wanted to, to, to let you know, in case this was a in case you wanted to know, or in case you missed it, or in case, you know, something like that, because I can’t see any situation where that would be something they would have chosen to keep. I don’t think that that would be Thank you. Yeah,1Speaker 19:23that’s what especially who this person is, I’m thinking she would probably be absolutely mortified. Because if I’m thinking that, if that’s what my ears are hearing, and I was, I was walking and there was lots of traffic and oh my

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Elsie Escobar9:39gosh, and go into rocks. No, I would definitely say that and then and then say, hey, if you want to make this as an artistic choice, great. I just wanted to make sure that it was a choice versus an oopsie. Right, because I know that there’s been times when I’ve been alerted to some One thing that I forgotten to take out on the feed, and it usually has to do with either something hasn’t put been put together yet, like, meaning I’m trying to put different files, you know, like there’s an audio feedback, and then there’s something else. And then I’m trying to put it together. Or they’re sometimes when I say something like, and then and I forgot to put in the audio, like, I’ve done this before, to where I forget to actually put the feedback in there. Because I do it all in post. And so I’ve been alerted to that, where it’s like, oh, that feedback didn’t play, or I put the wrong feedback. I’ve also done that, where I’ve put in somebody else’s feedback that I already played, and I just grabbed the file and put it in there. And I didn’t really listen, which, you know, bad bad on me. And so I didn’t know that it was wrong feedback that I added in there, I just really quickly add, you know, visually fixed everything. So everything looked good. And I just listened to the beginning to spear that transition, but not to see if it had happened or not. And that’s happened lyse ups, you know, blank sounds like a part where snippet where it’s like, blank, because I didn’t put things together, that’s also been the thing. And people tell me all the time, and then I fixed it, and I’m able to, but I would suggest giving them the time code.1Speaker 111:17Okay. I didn’t mean to start us off on such a rupee note. That is a really interesting, I mean, no pun intended. Okay.

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Elsie Escobar11:27Anyway, well, that was interesting. I’ve never had that question come up before, but I would like somebody to tell me that I have whatever in my teeth. Thank you very much. Or if I have a boogie hanging out my nose, please tell me, because I need to know these things. Thank you. Appreciate it. You’re so welcome. All right. Well, who’s next? What’s up anything coming up for you that you want me to check out for you? clarification, insight, all of the things

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12:01like that. I have something. Good. Go ahead, Clara. Go ahead, Claire.

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12:08Oh, well, okay, you can take a note, and then we can come back. Take a note. Yes, well,

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Elsie Escobar12:13I’ll take a note, and I’ll pick on on afterwards. Sounds good. Um,

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12:17I’m on my phone. So I apologize, I can’t see any visual cues, no worries. So something that’s on my mind lately is

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12:28we can’t really disaster proof. But life is always going to happen, you’re always going to have things come up that just take you away from being able to get content out and that sort of thing. And I would love to hear what folks strategies are coping with those times where you just can’t, you can’t get to it and you know, on a regular job, you might call it sick or take a couple of personal days. But when you do that, and you’re making your own content, you just don’t have anything to put out. So that’s my question I’ve been thinking a lot about lately, I’ve, both my parents have been sick. And so I’ve been back and forth from Tennessee, and just generally unavailable to do anything. And so it’s like, oh, I life will always happen. And so I wonder what I can do to make sure I set my business up better in the future.

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Elsie Escobar13:18Yep, I have two bits of insight, and I can open up the floor. So if anybody has any other insight in here, please feel free to chime in. So if it comes to setting up the business aspect of it, like just from the business business perspective, not talking about the content side or the podcasting side of it, but to see that is what I would really focus on is the essentially, like the least common denominator, like the things that are the minimal things that you need to be done, that need to be done in order for you to get paid versus anything else. So if there is a outstanding client, or if there is something very specific that you have outlined, that is necessary for income to come in sustainability in any kind, that’s what I would really focus in on the most to be able to get to that. So if it is about scheduling, you know, one on one things or if you have a meeting of some kind that you really need to fulfill or something very specific that is getting that money in the door, I would really highlight that and just keep it to, to doing the minimal viable, essentially. And when it comes to the podcast, I think that one of the things that I have learned is that most of the time, our listeners are people who really love us, they just sometimes they want either just an update, or they’re really not paying attention to what you’re doing that you kind of left like they don’t know. A lot of the time they don’t we put the pressure on ourselves, but the way that I handle That four LTS yoga class D, I don’t even know if you remember this. But just because you were one of my, you know, people that used to listen to my show or do my classes and whatnot, is that obviously I used to do a class that came out every week. And then as my life started to change, I kept thinking I was going to be doing it. And I kept thinking there was going to be a time when I was going to do it. And what I ended up doing is I created a video where I just talked with everybody and I, I would keep people updated as in like, I would create a class and then it started to fall back in, I would say, like, Hey, I’m doing these things. Now. I’m hoping to put a class out, I’m not sure I’m going to be able to stay on course, that was like my optimist point of view, thinking it was going to happen, I thought it was going to happen. And then as I started to kind of live my life and go through the transitions, I realized, I’m not going to be able to do this. So I had to get even clearer. And then I was able to take my my production way back. So I would only instead of doing it once a week, I would do it like what can I do once a month, I can do once a month, and then I would put it out there. And then I would say this is what’s going on, I have this class coming up, I might be able to do a couple more classes here. And that got me through the next stage. And then I really realized that eight is not going to happen.

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Elsie Escobar16:25I’m not gonna be able to do it. So that’s when I created I kind of created a video and I gave everybody a rundown as to what was happening in my life at that time. And I said, and I had an email list. And so that was that was actually the communication was through the email list and also through the podcast. And so I kind of pivoted a little bit and did more email updates than I did in terms of video. But the video to me was the key thing that I kept putting out there. And that kind of sustained me through a transition into moving away from creating that content that was like, at first, you know, I had I had a lot of following in yoga, and I had to sort of let it go. To my detriment, though, I kind of just let it die. Because my brain didn’t let go of really wanting to put an end to it, because I felt I was going to be coming back. But then coming back became a problem, I just realized that there was no way for me to come back, given what I had created before, meaning I had a specific idea around what I wanted to do with that content. So that’s the other thing. Now what I’ve adjusted with some of the clients that I’ve worked with in the past, is really giving you permission to choose what that content would look like. And what if you close it off, and you literally say, I’m going to stop doing this and let your people know, I’m going to stop X, Y and Z well, however it works out. My hope is that I’m able to check in with you in a couple of months, in three months, whatever. And we will see what happens then, or I’m hoping to get back on the track or whatever, when particularly now it’s summer vacation. So that could be a very good sort of pause, I’m gonna take some time off in order so that I can write Get yourself together. And again, the thing that needs to keep moving forward is the business related stuff. So but whatever those actions are, don’t think so much in terms of the podcast, think more on that. Your ability to sustain whatever that is, for me, what it was that minimal viable, was being able to make that video and it was also keeping an email newsletter for a bit that actually kept people engaged with me. And that also fell apart too because I was transitioning from one thing to the next. So I had to be really clear with myself and be honest with myself about that. I hope that that is something that is helpful. I see that Lana wrote the back catalogue, you know, back catalogue listening is also something that folks are doing in there and yeah, we are usually the only ones that have listened to all the episodes. You wouldn’t be surprised though Lina because there are some folks who really do do that anyway. So I hope that that helped a little bit Claire, if you have any more specifics, do let me know now everybody else. If you have an idea, please feel free to help clear out a little bit here. If you have any other thoughts in how to manage that.1Speaker 119:43I have one that actually is gonna lead to a question because I’m in a little bit. It’s a little different reason than Clara but I’ve had to take breaks before to getting ready to, you know, prepare for my husband’s surgery which is a big deal and We help some people move that were very dear to us. So a lot of, you know, personal stuff going on as well. And I’m coming up on my year anniversary, but I have not released a podcast in almost a month. So I’m about to do what I’m going to call an encore presentation of my pilot to mark my year anniversary. So maybe just putting, you know, communicating within a minute or so as to you know, like, something along the lines of what you just said, LC about needing to take a break and, or, you know, I am taking a break, please enjoy this encore presentation of my pilot coming up on your anniversary, thank you so much for being you know, loyal listeners. And I think people your listeners are really, they really understand, you know, because people are still listening to my podcast, even though I haven’t put an episode out in almost a month. And once in a while I will get an email of you know, you Okay, you know, looking forward to new episodes. And, you know, if especially this past year and a half people are so much more prayerfully, hopefully more understanding than they would be like in a regular regular production year. So I’m not I hope that helps. And so my question actually is, is LC because I am on Lipson, how do I put out an episode that has already been that is already posted and out there in its Evergreen State? Do I? Do I reschedule it again? Or how does that work?

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Elsie Escobar21:39Yeah, so you would have to you can’t Reese get, you can’t use the same file. So you’d have to re upload, it’s like a, because it’s part of your feed you. It doesn’t like wrap it up on itself. So you should have I hope. And if you don’t, you can download it off of Lipson our copy of your file, so you would have to then obviously add at the beginning of it, this is a or you could even just add a little bit at the beginning of that episode is what I would do. Hey, folks, thanks unless it’s like a coat, you know, my one year anniversary. And but I just wanted to tell you all you know what it’s been like to come back or whatever, you know, like have an intro that really helps set the foundation there, even just a bit, just like a minute, and then put in at the beginning of your show and re upload that and put it out there. So that’s how that works. For the rebuilding of it. You can’t just grab it and re release it. That’s that’s what I was thinking. Thank you appreciate it. Yeah, yeah. Does anybody else have a thought for Clara? Jacqueline said one blogger I follow was quiet for a while because she had a miscarriage. I didn’t totally notice she was absent. And then we all had so much compassion for why she was absent When she returned. Yeah, I think that and sometimes do Clara, you don’t have to tell people what’s going on. Like

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Elsie Escobar23:04I was missing. And I just I just said there’s a lot of stuff happening in my life, you know, where I’m moving in transition. And even though I want to be here for you, I can’t. And that was essentially how I left it on the show. I just said, This is what these are my hopes and then it didn’t happen. And then as I started to realize there was a lot happening, like I mean, I left LA I was like in, I moved to a whole new place. I ended I and then I was pregnant. Like literally all of these things were a massive change in my life. And I wasn’t ready to talk about the majority of the why, right of all of the stuff that happened. Like I didn’t want to get into that. And so I waited until I was ready to be public about it, so that I can have the space to deal with the conversations that would come after. Because I didn’t want to talk to people while I was in my emotional transitional space. I waited until I felt more grounded in the choices that I had made. Because I it was so crazy when I was transitioning and doing all of these things. And I didn’t want people to come in. I didn’t want people to know. And so that’s why it took me so long to make that video and to talk about it is that I had to process through that. And there are times when not everybody, not everybody needs to know all the details. You can absolutely simply say I’m taking a break the end nobody’s and the thing is, it would be different if you had when I don’t know. But I’m not sure you have sponsors on your show. I think that when it gets a little bit more sticky is when there are sponsors on the show. When you have Have a commitment to deliver audio content for your sponsors. That’s when it becomes a little tricky. Because you do have to put something out. And I think that happened to us with the podcast a couple of times, not when anything like emotional came up. But whenever our lives got in the way where we could not create a show, do Jews usually due to tart to traveling. So I had to get really creative as to how to deliver the amount of episodes that needed to come out on the feed so that we could put the ad in for no other reason other than that, and so I ended up using some of the q&a s and that this is the kind of stuff that I put in the q&a, where it’s like, I need content, oh, let’s take that q&a, or anytime we have audio. And that’s when I have a backlog of audio that I’ve done in the past that it’s either our class, it’s a q&a, like we’re doing right now a webinar audio that I can take behind the scenes of like podfest presentation that Jess and I have done the noon, we just have those in the back end in case, all Gosh, this would be a really great time for us to release that one thing we didn’t know what to do with, right. And that’s when we stuck it in there. That’s what we did. I think leading into two podcasts live, we did a lot of like, recording of the podcast q&a recording of the podcast q&a, because our schedules became so crazy, we weren’t able to deal with all that stuff. That’s another idea to look at your back catalogue of things that you haven’t shared, or about or repurposing some kind of content or even, you know, I never really thought about this, but this would be something that you could do if you happen to have been a guest in somebody else’s show and they are okay with it. You can ask them and say would it be alright, if I released this episode on my feed? Because of you know, you just be honest with them, you’re like, I’m, you know, I’m going to be taking a break. And I promise I’ll put like all the calls to action, my show notes and tell everybody to subscribe to your show and all that stuff. That might be something. You know, some people are really like cagey about giving you their mp3 and allowing you to put that in your feed and stuff. But some people might be really help. Like, they’d be like, yeah, whatever, just use it. I’m that kind of person. Like I wouldn’t mind sharing. If I’ve done on our, you know, an interview with somebody else, like offer my job or something and giving it to them. If they asked me for that perspective, I’d be super okay with it. I’m not okay with it if people are just using it, because they don’t want to create content. But if it’s necessary, and you’re like, you know, I’m looking for content because of XYZ. And then you’re on and again, you’re honest, and you’re like, my life is a little crazy right now, I really love what we talked about. Would you mind if I use either maybe a snippet of the show or whatever, and just say, to have them go subscribe, so that would be really, really cool. Yeah, see that? I know. See, look at that. Cheryl. You weren’t that right. You guys, just you just released that episode. That would be fantastic. Yeah, that’s a really easy way to be able to do that cross promote each other, and then take the pressure off of it. Right. So just make it a little bit easier to be able to do something like that.

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Elsie Escobar28:20Okay, Miss Karen, do you have a question? Love?3Speaker 328:26Yeah, I was just wondering if. And I’m speaking for DC. But as you know, things start reopening. People are heading out. I wondered if anyone had seen a difference in their download numbers over the last say month.

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Elsie Escobar28:47I wonder, say month. I actually just looked at our download numbers, and it’s gonna. And I was I think I did I think I saw, like a pretty decent drop. Like, yeah, like, fairly decent, because I don’t really ever go into our stats almost at all. I forgot why I I did. And I was like, Whoa, that looks really interesting. Yeah, go ahead.3Speaker 329:14I was gonna say yes, because the reason I’ve been following my stats is I made a lot of changes to the show back in February. I kind of tweak the name, I tweak the right and UI, and I change the feed, which was the big one. I went over to this. Yeah. So I’ve been trying to track the impact of that. And it took a while for the Lipson stats to sort of populate or whatever or pick up the Yeah, yeah, I mean, it was kind of because you know, I still have and I don’t want to get too technical in the weeds, but I still have a redirect my old feed active. And I don’t know if that’s impacting things. I keep maybe the schedule a call with one of your Lovely lips and people, but about this, but so I haven’t really been sure whether I can trust what I’m seeing by it. But you know, there has been a drop, it’s starting to recover a little. But I was just curious. My first thought was, it could be some of the changes I’ve made, or it could be just people are turning off their screens and getting out the door.

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Elsie Escobar30:24Yeah, I can, I can tell you that this is why it was a little shocking to me is because like, I think we had 1000 downloads last from March to April. And then it’s kind of stayed that way.3Speaker 330:39Yeah, I mean, my drop wasn’t quite that. Big. But, but yeah, I was just curious. And if, if you don’t mind, if I can ask a follow on? Is there a way that podcasters can promote their shows, based around the idea of zoom fatigue? And also, you know, hey, you know, you can download download episodes to take with you when you’re out and about and having a good time and seeing your friends. But the zoom fatigue thing was interesting, because there apparently was just a study done. That said, it is a real thing. And it’s actually women who are most prone to it. And I was just curious, how can we position ourselves to take advantage of that?

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Elsie Escobar31:33I think, you know, that’s a really great, I think those of you who have studied with me, in the past, know that I’m a huge believer in the embodied experience. And it’s something that I teach all the time, in terms of the that listening to podcast is an embodied experience is one of the tenants that I teach all the time that it’s one of the only ways that one of the only ways in which you consume content, where you are usually not arrested to this experience that we I mean, this is a different experience, you all or those of you who are here live with me, obviously are having a back and forth with me, and you are there is a dialogue and there is an interaction. But there might be a lot of you who might be listening to this afterwards. Right. And in doing so, you get an opportunity to be out in the world to be able to experience that and I don’t know about you, but I that’s when I listen to podcasts Anyway, there is no other time. You know what, let me see if I can find this article really quick, I think you’re gonna have you’re gonna get a kick out of this if I can find the darn thing. But we do already do that. We have triggers. And it’s what I do whenever like I wash the dishes, or whenever I go work on my garden, like sometimes I’ll go out and I don’t bring my phone or I’m not listening to something and I immediately get a trigger of what last time. And I remember the episode that I was listening to like, this is where I heard the conversation about x y&z and I go, where is my thing? You know what I mean? Or when I go out for a run, like there’s a very specific thing that I want to listen to when I start to, to go into this behavior. And I think part of that process is for us to be able to teach our audience that to know that they can take us with them, because of the the sort of like the transformative power and transformative in the sense that it transforms from one place to the next that we are not sedentary. The article. Let me see if I can remember history. No, no, the history I got I can’t remember what it was. But it’s like, it was an article that was like, Yes, this is such a lovely expression of this. And it was a whole I think it was I don’t remember the website. I can’t tell you the topic. So the topic was around this, this guy who wrote a totally in depth article of how he fell in love with long form history podcasts. And the entire, the entire article, like it was really in depth was how he created a habit of listening to history podcasts. And why during the pandemic, because he found listening to that audio was the perfect companion to when he was doing all the other things that he was doing. So I think he mentioned he got through, I don’t know how many hours of you know, hardcore history while he was on a run. And like it was something that he was able to do because and he really mentioned it that the audio itself is the type of audio that you can have on in the background. And it’s interesting and arresting enough in the information that it keeps You engage, but at the same time, not life threatening that you that if you miss something you, you’re lost, right? And that sort of desire, and that what it brought to him was surprising to him as somebody who was a newer podcast listener. And I love that article. And it literally just came out, because it is exactly what I talk about all the time that it is an embodied experience. It is not something that, that that happens. For every form, you can’t I mean, I do. Sorry, but I do I take Netflix with me. Because I listen, there’s a lot of shows that I just listened to, I don’t want, it’s got to be the right. It’s got to be the right show. So let me really quickly to see if I like if I kept the because I guess I must have not put it in here. I could swear. Let me see is toward me.

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Elsie Escobar36:15Well, if I, if I’ll send it to you, Karen so that you can listen to it because it might help you develop. Like a not a pitch. But you know what I mean? Like that you can develop some language around being able to either talk about it with your audience, position it in a way that really works for you. Yeah, make it a CTA. Yeah, something that you can help them understand what that process is. Here we go. I got it. It’s on Mashable, let me put it in this thing. It’s called how I fell in love with extremely long kind of boring history podcasts. Pr, it was such a good article, I loved it. So so much. Hold on one second, here, we’ll put it in the gym,

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37:01which is kind of the complete opposite of mine. Since I

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Elsie Escobar37:04know yours is the super,3Speaker 337:06you know what I call them, I call them art snacks, I just you know, you can have like a bunch of the time or one or just one.

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Elsie Escobar37:13It’s perfect. That’s perfect. But see if you think about it from that. From that though, like there’s times when you just want a little snack. And then sometimes all of a sudden your snack becomes your dinner, by mistake, because you ate too much. Right? So I have it in there, please take a take a moment to read that article. It’s really insightful. And I think the reason that I love it so much is because it gives you an idea of the brain of the listener, which oftentimes as podcasters, we don’t get, we get ideas from marketers, we get ideas from service providers, right? We get ideas from those that are helping us put our stuff together. But we don’t really have insight into the mind of somebody who’s listening, just to listen, because they love listening a lot. Sometimes there are folks that write articles about the listener, but they’re writing for it not from their own perspective. They’re writing a to sell you something to give you best tips and practices. So anytime I find real, like organic expression of what keeps people listening to podcasts that aligns with what I already think, is the best. Because then I can go like, See, I told you guys, because this kind of stuff comes very intuitive to me where I can tell you well, you have to really think about this. And it’s really hard to put it in marketing terms. It’s very hard to for it to be succinct, like do 123, you know, steps one, two, and three, and you’ll get whatever, it’s much harder to much more nuanced thing. And obviously, he’s talking about extremely long history podcasts, right, but possibly boring ones. And how he developed a love about that. And obviously yours is exactly the opposite of it, meaning that it’s a snacky thing. But I feel that experience of that snack or that experience of that that he’s talking about. There have to be parallels in how he’s consuming this content. Right. So we get a chance to look at it from that from that place. Alright, thanks, Elsie. You are so welcome. Yeah, exactly. And that’s why so Jacqueline, do you have a question? I see you pop back. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, sorry. I’m on my son lunch there. All right. Hey, hey, we’re all doing it.4Speaker 439:36This summer. Summer. For me. It’s so chaotic, right. Yeah, we are. Yeah, we thank you so much for this. I’m I’m in and, um, my previous podcasts I did. I was interviewing older women in person. Uh huh. And even then I had a lot of issues with the mic. And the audio and all these things, but it was like it is what it is a hobby. And I wanted to take it to do it more. And so what happened, I transitioned then from learning from these older women that I interviewed, they were working moms like myself. I had been working moms. And what I learned from that was that not so much changed for women. That’s why now I’m trying to focus on the past that is about solutions for working moms, especially ones that have experienced burnout, because my experience and I’m a behavioral scientist, so I have some experience about solutions to behaviors and solutions for workplaces. But my question today is, so I’m transitioning from this having done in person to now having interviews lined up with people, you know, around the world, to be honest. And I haven’t done the remote interview. So I looked at the training that you guys had about the different systems, recording systems, and I looked at the Facebook feed, and everyone has different opinions. So I’m still stuck to know, you know, which to go with. And just in terms of my own. I’m a law firm, so I’m always lost. Yeah. So I was worried that the zoom would block in and out even though that’s a great first solution. So yeah, I just need to try all of them. But I was trying to get some more information about then caster, I mean, squad, car seems passive, but but if it’s really worth it, then that’s great. Riverside, FM, zoom. And so I always be interviewing guests.

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Elsie Escobar41:53Right? Okay. And do you want so so here’s how important is the video aspect for you.4Speaker 442:01Um, so I think I’m gonna, so I’m having a lot of insecurity, transitioning to social media at all, I was a professor in academia, and I didn’t need social media to succeed in what I was doing. And so I’m thinking that because I’m focusing on working mums, that LinkedIn is going to be one of probably my main place where I feel comfortable to be. But I’m, I keep hearing people talking about meals. And, you know, so I don’t have a good social media plan set up. But I think I mean, I think the video is important to get the relationship with somebody, so I would like to see them. But I’m not sure whether I’ll be using the video. As part of the the podcast, got it? Yeah, I’m always a mess. You know, I never went Yeah,

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Elsie Escobar42:56no, I hear you. I mean, it is an extra layer. It’s an extra layer. So4Speaker 443:00I might be getting makeup and hair brushed for these interviews? I don’t think so. swayed over here?

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Elsie Escobar43:08I mean, I think that one of the reasons I’m asking, there’s two reasons that I’m asking. I think one of them is that coming from an old school as an old school podcaster, like somebody who’s been around for a while, and having had been on podcasts for soul, like meaning as a guest many. And also don’t doing my own. I know, video was never a part of it for me, in my experience, because it was always a an audio format. And I’m only saying this to you, because video does bring another layer of complexity to everything. Because the speeds that you have to deal with whenever you’re doing any kind of recording are more taxed when you’re doing video production when you’re doing video, data transfer, not even production data transfer. So and one of the key things that makes most remote recordings fail is bandwidth and connectivity for people. So there is no solution for that other than they are in a stable place. Nobody else is using Wi Fi. Like there’s so many things that can go wrong that the video just adds a layer of extra access problem that might arise. So what I like in terms and before I address the systems or what you use, what I like to use video for is maybe a Welcome Hello like I can see the value in that now. Definitely meet having have had to work on zoom for so long. Now. In using video. I have seen the value of going Hey, how is everybody doing? This is fantastic. Okay, so let’s get started with our interview, you know, you introduce yourself. And I’m, let’s go ahead and get started everybody turn your cameras off. And we’re just going to talk, right. So that’s great, because then you can turn it off. And then you can do your focus, you could do your thing, because I would like to write, like, if I were doing an interview show, I would like to have little notes on the side, just so that I can keep my eye, my thought process. Sometimes it’s harder for me when I have to be looking. I mean, I’m looking at the camera right now, which is, which is actually easier, because I’m looking at a static thing, I’m looking like a thing, right? I’m looking at this. Over here, instead of looking at your face, which is different, and it actually helps me focus me focus more, because I don’t have to look at your face. That brings another layer of information that is harder for me to process when I’m trying to get a point across. So I like to have the, I’m looking at the camera, I don’t see a human. And then I can look at you and see if you’re listening. But that’s two separate things, I do my thing, and I come here. And that’s just the way my brain processes. That’s it getting back to the services that you use, I think most of them are really solid. They really are. And again, the the points that aren’t the point of failure are the ones that have the bandwidth thing happening, meaning you or your guest don’t have the upload speeds necessary to have a conversation that’s going to work, not the download speeds, the upload speeds, because you have to have the data that you’re holding right now are happening is you’re seeing me, you’re seeing and you’re hearing my voice, but that data is traveling up and then downloading back to you. So whenever you see the glitches and then the Cylon happening and the weird drop outs, is because if my upload speed might be really delayed, and therefore, you will hear me a couple of seconds after I’m done speaking. And that’s a problem because it creates issues. In the majority of these programs that record you rely on there on your on the ability for the person to upload that data into the cloud, in order for them to work. And so whenever they get that recording in whenever there’s a problem when they download the files afterwards, what I I you know, I’m guessing and I think that I’m would be right, the majority of the problems with the recordings that happen most likely have to do with low bandwidth with the upload, and they just didn’t get a appropriate data needed to have the right recording.

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Elsie Escobar48:08That’s it. So also the people that you’re4Speaker 448:13about the video sorry, tend to up that’s because you know, I’m not comfortable. And I’m so good at literally listening like this with my hair. Yeah. And thinking and writing notes. I’m not, you know, I almost don’t do the eye contact engagement, to be honest. So trying to listen, and I have to like almost close everything off so that I don’t get distracted by their face. So I thought about that.

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Elsie Escobar48:39Yeah, I I’m do I’m exactly like you. And so there’s a lot of times, particularly when I’m having to say something smart. Or it’s a really a really hard question. It’s a it’s a different part of my brain. And also, this is another thing when you are a host and even a guest because I’ve done this two to two separate times one, obviously for me not obviously because you guys don’t know me that much. I mean, some of you do know me much better than others. But I have a really hard time verbalizing things I stumble a lot of the time I have the wrong word comes in. And then sometimes I’m really committed with a sentence that I say and that word, that entire sentence makes no sense. Like I use the wrong words. And but it’s just that’s just the way that I am and most of the time people, you know, forgive a lot of this. This is a quirkiness about what I do. But when I am in a guest in a podcast, and it’s a very specific question or I’m there for a specific reason, like I am presenting data, I am, you know, addressing an issue that I feel really passionate about. I don’t want that quirky side to come through. So what I tend to do is I write myself notes of the key points with the right language that I can nail Because that gets the point across quicker. And I’ve only learned that because I’ve listened to myself speak in the past, and then I go, what did I even say? So I, and it’s not a critical thing. It’s not like I’m coming down on myself, I’m just saying, This is what I meant to say, I totally didn’t do that. So next time I need to have, this is what I should have said, usually I hear myself and I go, Oh, that’s the wrong word, I use the wrong word. And I didn’t really land what I wanted to say. So I will clarify that for myself and write myself notes. And so if I’m just talking, I can read my notes and sound like I’m talking and it makes me feel smarter and more confident. And so I do the same thing when I’m, like, like working with you. That’s why I like to write your questions down. That’s why whenever I get the questions beforehand, I usually write down the answers, like, as if I’m speaking them. And then I work off of the notes. And I give you the responses. When I do have, obviously, impromptu questions, that’s fine, too. I’m fine. That doesn’t make me feel bad. But I feel more confident being able to give you the exact language. So I’m more on point. And that’s it. So I get better at it. And I’ve learned to do that, therefore, just talking not does me the ability to look at my notes and not feel like I don’t know what I’m saying. Because there’s a part of you that feels a gift to perform. And you don’t have to perform, you don’t have to perform. So that’s another thing that you can do. But it depends on how much edit and yeah, I’m not even gonna go that side. Let’s go back again, to the remote stuff. Your audience, your guests are also going to be part of this, meaning that they’re going to have to know how to access what you’re sharing with them. And the only reason I still am leaning, even though I do I know I see you Zen caster, you love Zen caster, Cheryl, and I’m sure that there’s people who have done squad cast, and then they’ve done all this stuff, you know, all of the things right? I know, I’ve used them all. The key thing here is that you need to make sure that your audience or your guests are able to get in quick with the least amount of trouble. And to be able to get that and that’s why at this point, zoom continues to win at this point, because they’re used to the way in which you record. And you can, as Karen mentioned, you can record in separate tracks, you do have the audio, in fact, you can have it on the cloud, and you can have it locally, I think that zoom allows you to do both, I can’t I can’t remember like you can have both, which is nice. And so in that respect, it’s great. The other reason I like zoom, and this is a reason not very many people talk about is that if you have a problem, if you have a problem come up. And this guest is just having issues just totally not happening. You can tell them to call on the phone,

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Elsie Escobar53:14they can just call on the phone, and you can have a recording up there. Even if it’s the phone recording, it doesn’t matter because you have a recording of them on the phone. That’s something that to me has been fundamentally a game changer. And why really love zoom. And it saved me as a guest in the past when we’ve done like, I think it was for oh my gosh, it was for podcast movement. Last year, I did a presentation for podcast movement. Last year, I had a co host for that. And we were working on our thing. And it always felt so bad. She was I was very she was very stressed out by doing it together. And because it was a presentation completely outside of our comfort zone. It wasn’t content. We presented either one of us before. So you know we practiced it. We did all the thing. Come to find out as soon as we get on. I literally had like the worst storm come through. And it took out. It took everything out. It took out everything like my internet, it took out my internet. So I had to then thankfully because they podcast movement was using zoom as our back end, I was able to call on the phone, and I was able to be on the phone while she presented. And we were going back and forth through my phone. And as I think I had I don’t remember what it was I was looking at my notes anyway, all this to tell you that we were able to do it not perfectly. Because there was a delay. That’s the other thing with the phone. There’s a delay. So when you’re on a phone and they’re on and you are on the internet, there’s a slight delay with everything. I said, so we had to be a little touchy feely with everything, because there was a sense of like, when I was done talking, was I gonna say something else? or was she gonna say something else. And so that was a pain. But all in all, I was still able to be there with her, and she ran the presentation. So that’s why one of the reasons that I really like zoom, what I would say too, is that you also need to be comfortable using the tool, because the people that you invite, are gonna have problems, they’re gonna, there’s gonna, there are going to be problems. So you need to be able to help them get through whatever happens. And I’m assuming that you’re more comfortable using something like zoom, because you probably have used it more than any of these other platforms. Right. So that said, You stay the course, just optimize for zoom, see if it works for you have that, figure it out, get comfortable with your workflow, start doing the thing, start recording, then you’re going to find out places that you want to be better at, where you’re going to go like, oh, gosh, I wish zoom did this or, or an unusually comes from the end scenario, not from doing the recording, it means from the end product, where you’re like, I wish I got this, or I wish I had whatever, that’s when you make that next level choice. If it’s, you know, I want higher quality, video production or whatever. You can use any of those other ones or you can have like, for whatever reason, like there’s there’s other ones that are browsers, but like there’s most of them, are browsers specific, where you could do that kind of stuff. Do you want to have it be better on a PC than a Mac? Do you want it like, there’s like all kinds of other nuances that can come through, where you’re able to then make a better choice, but I say like, don’t get stuck on the tool, start doing the thing, you won’t know were dropping the ball until you do it. But my ultimate answer to the question is a much more difficult answer. Because what I would say is, you need to do a double Ender, it’s really the only way that you’ll have the best audio is to do a double Ender. That takes a lot more work. And you’re not going to have a an easy sort of handy dandy little file that comes to you. And because you’re doing guests, that’s almost a deal breaker, meaning you’re not going to be able to do it. I’m just saying that that’s the ultimate scenario. But that’s probably not going to happen.4Speaker 457:48Unless they’re a podcaster. Right? Because unless they’re a podcast, she said, let’s just get on audacity and record each. Yeah. Okay, got it.

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Elsie Escobar57:57Yeah, no, unless they’re a podcaster. And they’re used to it, then I would say to you, like, Hey, you know, like, um, so I had Danielle Corbett, from who, you know, who see podcasters women of color. podcasters. come on the show, and Jess was gone. And when I invited her to come on the show, I said, Hey, this is how we run it. We, you know, we do a double Ender. We record here. But we also have you record, you can record however you want. If you need any help with that. I mean, she’s a podcaster, I would assume she would have known and she would have asked, and then just go record it. And then you send that over to our editor. Right, I didn’t have to explain too much, because obviously, she has a show. And she does a lot of solo shows. So she knows how to record yourself. So in that respect, if they are a podcaster, they should be able to record themselves as well. And that solves the audio quality problem. Right when it comes to that because it doesn’t matter. If you’re like I can’t hear you, there’s a delay. That doesn’t show up in the final thing. You just have to edit that stuff out. And then it sounds like it’s still good, right? There’s been many, many times when I’ve had to be on the phone with my co host. And I just record my own side. And I give them the the audio. Nobody knows the difference because it doesn’t matter how we connected. All that matters is the end file and the cleanest file that I have. So Jen EADS has done a video has video stuff, and she lane I just shared a link to that. She’s somebody that’s been doing a lot of this kind of stuff out there in terms of recording and put up production and whatnot. So you’re able to see how she manages all the zoom stuff. So in that respect, that’s why I’m sticking to zoom like if I were to do yeah, I think that I would I I actually would stick to it. If I were to be doing an interview show, I would stick with zoom. And I would keep it like, I will invite my guests with the zoom link, if they could record their side of the conversation, I would say, Would you mind doing that if you want a really quick quickie help, I would let them know. But for the most part, I’ll just make sure that my audio is split into two sides at my end, and then I would I would record locally on my computer. And that way, I would have my clean audio on my computer. And then I would have their side of the conversation because of the zoom, coming to me. And then if something happened, I would have a backup, meaning I still have the actual zoom recording, it still would have a backup to that. So that’s how I would play it. And then in the worst case scenario, all of my conversations here, everything that’s happening right now is being recorded. And I pay for otter, which is a transcription service. And otter.ai is connected to my zoom. And so as soon as this is over, that goes into otter, so I, regardless, I have a very low quality recording happening over there. But at least I have that backup too. So in that respect to me, I’m like, I always want to find a way to at least have the words there. But that’s how I would start with that. And to get very comfortable understanding how everything works. And do what you have to do the thing to understand all the bits, because you’re still gonna forget I was doing zoom interviews for a project that it’s still in the works. And then I if I don’t have a checklist, I will forget. I did it for one of my interviews. I’ve done three. I did it for one interviews. And I’m so excited because I had like separate tracks. Super awesome. And then the next two interviews, I completely forgot to record my side of the conversation. And but I still had a backup. So that was good. Good to know.4Speaker 41:02:10Thanks, great. Such good points that don’t come across in the nuance. And I’m I’m totally with you. I’m not tech savvy, it would take me ages to work out how to use these other tools. And yeah, I’ve got my first interview next week with someone from Belgium. So there’s probably going to be all sorts of problems and Yep. So good that they could call in or Yeah, thank you. That’s really helpful.

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Elsie Escobar1:02:36Yeah, I would just get connected to zoom. Like I take that stress, you always have room to to get better, like you always have, there’s no tool that’s going to make you or break, there’s not one, not one tool that’s going to make or break your what you’re doing. The only time it sucks is when you forget to press record. That’s about it. And that’s why my thing automatically records because I will forget, I will forget like, it’s just gonna happen. So if you can just at least press record you want. And then you make it better as you iterate and as you get better moving through it. So I all the stuff that’s going to make you get scared about it. It’s already so hard to do it. You got to really to make everything make you feel like Yes, yes. Whenever you’re like, pause, see if there’s an easier, yes, somewhere in there. And that in the same way that I’m sure you address all this stuff in your podcast. Let’s like the over the burning, getting burned out. You don’t have to do all the things you’re going to burn out. Just use zoom, and then figure it out. Make it fun later. All right, folks, thank you so much for showing up to meet with me today. I’m so glad I got a chance Katie’s. So Joe, nice to see you there. And I’m glad that you came. So let me know if I can help out in any way you can send me some messages or something like that afterwards. And I will see you in a couple weeks. You’ll see just next week, and we will do other things. Thank you so much. Bye

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