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  1. Jess & Elsie QA and Podhive Coaching Call
    09-16-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Member launches, tracking stats, and many wins!
  2. 09-14-21- Elise's QA- Artwork, downloads, and sponsorship
  3. 09-09-21- Traci's Coaching Call- talking tools of inspiration, and ways we do our best thinking
  4. 09-02-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Launches, Show Descriptions and International Podcast Day!
  5. 08-31-21- Elsie's QA- Big Elsie Thoughts on all the shoulds of podcasting.
  6. 08-26-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Tips to avoid podfade, rebranding, and launch
  7. 08-24-21- Jess' QA- Closet clean out, partnership and networks, and more fun parties planned for SPL
  8. 08-19-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Connection and community, terms of service, and Apple Podcasts
  9. 08-17-21- Elsie's QA- Content warnings, "my story" suggestions and more
  10. 08-12-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Finding your visibility and working your network.
  11. 08-10-21- Jess QA- Jessica summarizes her experience at Podcast Movement and live events in 2021.
  12. 08-04-21- Elsie QA! Elsie’s hacks
  13. 07-29-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Trademarks, growing your audience, and podcast planning
  14. 07-27-21- Jess QA- Launch checklists, social media trends, and live events
  15. 07-22-21- Traci’s Coaching Call- Finding support in your community and summer break!
  16. 07-20-21- Elsie's QA- A lot of talk about lifestyle, including ADHD, crippling anxiety and hormones
  17. 07-15-21- Traci's Coaching Call- SEO and URLs, time management and starting where you are.
  18. 07-13-21- Jess- talks social media and the group shares their excitement for SPL
  19. 07-08-21- Traci's Coaching Call- PR tips and pitching yourself, collaborations, and great SEO tips
  20. 07-06-21- Elsie QA- Elsie talks audacity and alternatives. Link to News Your Can Use from the FB LIVE!
  21. 07-01-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Self-care tips, maximizing LinkedIn, and terms and agreements
  22. 06-29-21- Jess' QA- Naming your podcast, workflows and SPL
  23. 06-24-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Celebrating wins, branding online
  24. 06-22-21- Elsie- Elsie talks faux pas, burn out, remote interviews, and Zoom fatigue
  25. 06-17-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Branding, support, making your podcast searchable, release dates
  26. 06-15-21- Jess- Release schedules, branding dilemmas, and taglines.
  27. 06-10-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Support and wins, rebranding and branding strategy
  28. 06-08-21- Elsie's QA- Is a listen the same as a download?, the benefit of third party podcast services, and finding the right people
  29. 06-03-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Taking a break between episodes
  30. 06-01-21- Jess- Membership sites, content calendar, and super-secret birthday surprizes.
  31. 05-27-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Members share their wins, talks about setting your podcast up for success and how to preserve your energy while launching.
  32. 05-25-21- Elsie's QA- Talks; bugs with the new Apple update, keeping it authentic, and website integrations
  33. 05-20-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Talks about editing and interviews
  34. 05-13-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Traci answers questions about the Spotify + Apple Podcasts subscriptions among other things
  35. 05-11-21- Elsie's QA- A question about Apple Podcasts artwork not showing up and a super deep into Elsie's own productivity journey
  36. 04-05-21- Jess' QA - Podcast sponsorships, audience engagement, podcast hosts and community input.
  37. 04-29-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Rapid fire information- prepare for 1.5hr call next week, marketing and challenges that podcasters face.
  38. 04-27-21- Elsie's QA- New Apple Podcasts and Spotify subscription announcements!
  39. 04-22-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Relationships with co-hosts, difficult conversations and member support
  40. 04-15-21- Traci's Coaching Call- Clubhouse, self care, and new opportunities
  41. 04-13-21 - Elsie - Content for premium podcasts and expectations around $$
  42. 04-08-21 - Traci's Coaching Call- Fears around perfectionism and podcasting to publishing
  43. 04-01-21 - Traci's Coaching Call- Email lists, social media marketing, and trying new things
  44. 3-31-21 - Elsie - Rebranding, posting to YouTube, and marketing to your subscribers
  45. 3-25-21 - Traci's Coaching Call- Workflows and marketing strategies
  46. 3-23-21- Jess – Design talk, rebranding, consulting and monetization
  47. 03-18-21- Traci’s Coaching Call- Workflow Tips
  48. 03-16-21- Elsie - A walkthrough of the upcoming iOS 14.5 Apple Podcasts changes & Why artwork is even more important now
  49. 03-11-21 - Traci's Coaching Call- All about sponsorships
  50. 03-09-21 - Jessica - How much data is too much?
  51. 03-04-21 - Traci's Coaching Call
  52. 03-02-21 - Elsie- Engagement, Early Release & Adult Content
  53. 02-23-21 - Jessica- Talking Engagement in your Niche
  54. 02-18-21 - Traci's Coaching call
  55. 02-16-21 - Elsie's QA testing out Run The World
  56. 02-11-21 - Traci's Coaching call
  57. 02-09-21- Jessica- Media Kits, Website Links
  58. 02-04-21 - Traci's Coaching call
  59. 02-02-21 - Elsie
  60. 1-26-21 - Jessica
  61. 01-21-21 - Traci's Coaching call
  62. 01-19-21 - Elsie
  63. 01-12-21- Jessica
  64. 01-07-21 - Traci's Coaching Call
  65. 12-22-20- Elsie QA- Planning for 2021
  66. 12-17-20 - Traci's Coaching Call
  67. 12-15-20 - Elsie
  68. 12-01-20 – Elsie
  69. 11-19-20- Traci Coaching Call
  70. 11-17-20 - Elsie
  71. 11-12-20- Traci Coaching Call
  72. 11-10-20 - Jessica
  73. 11-05-20- Traci's Coaching Call
  74. 11-03-20 - Elsie
  75. 10-27-20 - Jessica
  76. 10-17-20 - Elsie
  77. 10-12-20 - Jessica
  78. 10-06-20 - Elsie
  79. 09-29-20 - Jessica
  80. 09-22-20 - Elsie
  81. 09-14-20 - Jessica
  82. 09-08-20 - Elsie
  83. 09-01-20 - Jessica
  84. 08-01-20 - Elsie
  85. Special Jess & Elsie QA!
  86. 07-11-20 - Elsie
  87. 06-23-20 - Jessica
  88. 06-15-20 - Elsie
  89. 06-9-20 - Jessica
  90. 06-02-20 - Elsie
  91. 05-28-20 - Jessica
  92. 05-20-20 - Elsie
  93. 05-12-20 - Jessica
  94. 05-05-20 - Elsie
  95. 04-28-20 - Jessica
  96. 04-21-20 - Elsie
  97. 04-14-20 - Jessica
  98. 04-07-20 - Elsie
  99. 03-31-20 - Jessica
  100. 03-30-20 - Elsie
  101. 03-24-20 - Elsie
  102. 03-17-20 - Jessica
  103. 02-25-20 - Elsie
  104. 02-18-20 - Elsie
  105. 02-11-20 - (Take 1) - Jessica
  106. 02-11-20 - (Take 2) - Jessica
  107. 02-11-20 - Jessica
  108. 02-04-20 - Elsie
  109. 01-28-20 - Jessica
  110. 01-21-20 - Elsie
  111. 01-14-20 - Jessica
  112. 12-19-19 - Elsie
  113. 12-17-19 - Jessica
  114. 12-3-19 - Jessica
  115. 11-26-19 - Elsie
  116. 11-12-19 - Elsie
  117. 11-09-19 - Jessica
  118. 11-09-19 - Take 2 - Jessica
  119. 11-7-18 - Jessica
  120. 11-5-19 - Jessica
  121. 10-29-19 - Elsie
  122. 9-24-19 - Elsie
  123. 9-17-19 - Elsie
  124. 9-11-19 - Jessica
  125. 9-3-19 - Elsie
  126. 8-27-19 - Jessica
  127. 8-20-19 - Elsie
  128. 8-7-19 - Jessica
  129. 7-16-19 - Elsie
  130. 7-11-19 - Jessica
  131. 7-3-19 - Elsie
  132. 6-28-19 - Jessica
  133. 6-28-19 - Elsie
  134. 6-11-19 - Jessica
  135. 5-28-19 - Jessica
  136. 5-23-19 - Elsie
  137. 5-14-19 - Jessica
  138. 5-9-19 - Elsie - Podfund Discussion
  139. 5-7-19 - Elsie
  140. 4-30-19 - Jessica
  141. 4-16-19 - Jessica
  142. 3-19-19 - Jessica
  143. 2-19-19 - Jessica
  144. 2-5-19 - Jessica
  145. 9-27-18 - Jessica
  146. 9-20-18 - Jessica
Lesson 11 of 146

08-10-21- Jess QA- Jessica summarizes her experience at Podcast Movement and live events in 2021.


Q: [9:45] Any takeaways you can share, Jessica. Podcasts movement about what we all missed out on, besides everyone looking fabulous and way too close to each other?

Jessica summarizes her experience at Podcast Movement.


Yeah. Okay.

Hello, Ms. Garland.

Good. Wonderful to see you. Yeah, I joined, uh, the other day. Yeah. Yeah. I’m excited. So, um, I haven’t done very much, but that’s okay. We are, I’m actually having a huge strategy meeting for the membership tomorrow. So we’ll be making some nice changes right now. The library is alphabetical and we’d like to sort of color code it to be.

Um, a little bit, just a little bit more easy to navigate. I think so. Yeah. I haven’t done much, but hang in there, man. No, I will. I will. And you know, I am so bummed. I don’t know if you like, no, but I got accepted as a speaker. Of course. I know. Um, so not that I’m mad cause I’m going to Hawaii, but I wouldn’t be mad about that either, but I’m going to apply again next year, hopefully because I would just so love to be there.

Yeah. Well, um, yeah, I mean, and you never know, I mean, with the Delta variant things could change. You never know. I know. But, um, but yeah, definitely apply for 2022. We’re looking at all different cities, all over the, all over the place. We’re looking at Seattle and LA and new Orleans and I think Chicago, oh, I’ve never been to Chicago.

So I’ve only been one time beautiful though, where we stayed was amazing. Yeah. Yeah. I, I heard it’s beautiful. Just, we won’t go in the middle of winter and we should be fine. No, we will not, I would move it. If I was going to move it, it would probably be spring. Yeah. That would be if I have to, which hopefully I don’t.

Yeah. I’m so up in the air. I mean, last year I did the, she leads conference virtually. Um, and it was great. It was great, but it’s just not the same. And I don’t have anything plans for this year. Nothing. So when, when do you normally have it in the fall? I have it. Yeah. I usually have September, so that’s not happening.

That’s not, unless you can do it really last minute. Did you not enjoy doing virtual? I hate doing virtual ones. I hated it. I thought it was awful. It came out great. Like it was, it truly was terrific, but it was not anywhere near what I wanted it to be. And it was, it was just too there’s too much. Like, I don’t know.

It was the Mo it was like too emotional or something. I dunno. So I’m just like, I’m not doing that. I thought about doing something super small at the beginning of December, just so I could keep the continuity because I’ve been doing this conference since 2013. Yeah. The continuity matters, I will say.

Cause we just did one and then, you know, and now I’m struggling a little bit. I mean, it’s getting a little easier sponsor wise, but not attendee wise. People, people wait for the last minute to decide to attend things. It’s awful. I can’t have more speakers and attendees. I just ain’t. Right. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Because those people are getting free tickets. So I can’t have that. I need, I mean, my first year it was like three times the amount. It was like 750 tickets were sold. Yeah. It’s I mean, it’s just different times. So that’s the other thing too. It’s like, I don’t, I don’t know where people’s heads are at.

I know it was really hard to figure out. Yeah. But, um, we’re doing our best with what we have at this moment. Um, so yeah, I know it’s hard. I really don’t want to do a virtual one either. Like I pretty much never want to do it. Like, I’ll do one webinar or one-offs, but oh God, but a whole conference. No. Yeah, yeah.

And I, I, what I did and it really came out great. I, I prerecorded it. Almost all of the sessions and no, that was smart. Yeah. But it took a lot of effort. Everyone’s content, you mean? Yeah. And to get it all lined up. And so I, I played it live, so I was able to interact with the audience and then I had one or two sessions that were alive.

So there was some like switching and it, it appeared that the whole thing was live. Yeah, but it wasn’t and there were some glitches. What, what format did you use? What company did you use? Um, happened? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They’re good. It was great. And, and I actually had somebody who was very familiar with the platform as my technical person.

So they took care of everything and I highly recommend


Yeah. Yeah. There’s no way you could do that on your. Yeah, I’ve only used it once or twice. Um, yeah. I use a really neat system back in October, but, um, not for our event, but to host, we hosted a party yet virtual podcast movement. We did some kind of Halloween party and whatever I was using for that was amazing.

You can customize the background and you could like. Play sound effects and music. It was really cool. I have no clue what it was. I’ll have to ask them. Yeah. It’s, it’s a challenge for sure. Yeah. So how is everyone today? How are you, Cheryl? How are you, Jackie?

Good. Really? Well. How are you? I want to hear about all,

all the things to be like podcasts, movement things.

Yes, I do. And I seems like I came in a bit of your conversation about maybe going. Virtually for

she podcasts live. I will not go virtual for she podcasts live, but we were discussing, we were just discussing, she was talking about it. So Adrian does a, um, an event called she leads the, she leads conference and she was talking about her going virtually.

Um, I would not, I don’t think I would ever do that because I really hate it. Like I don’t like I don’t enjoy attending them. Um, so I probably wouldn’t do one, but I mean, You can do it well. And she was just talking about using Hoppen, hoping up in whatever, what is she

leaves? Can, can she speak

Adrian? Sure.

Thank you. Uh, so Jessica has spoken at Shealy. It’s actually one of the first ones, um, which is awesome. So it’s a conference for women leaders and entrepreneurs, and I’ve always been obsessed with podcasting, especially because. Such a great platform to get your ideas and thoughts out into the world. Um, so everything that we do at the conference is bringing in experts to offer super practical, actionable advice for women leaders and entrepreneurs to take yourself or your business to that next level.

Okay. You’re saying she leads as an Lea, the, oh, I thought you were saying leaves.

Flowers. Where’s she going?


goes to conferences. She does.

Okay, wonderful. I’ll look it up. And, um, any takeaways you can share, Jessica. Podcasts movement about what we all missed out on, besides everyone looking fabulous and way too close to each other.

For my own comfort zone, I’m just saying in California, and there were a lot of Californians that were there picking their head out for the first time since the pandemic began.

And I really felt for them, I’ve just, it really, you could tell what types of regions people were coming from based on their level of comfort. For example, I, um, have a very false sense of security, um, with, because like in a bubble, like we’ve had my neighbors and I had a bubble at first and then Isaac went to school in person, but it was a private school.

So there was a bubble there. Now he’s in camp and actually all of Delaware is pretty well vaccinated. Most of the people in north Wilmington are. Vaccinated. I don’t know anyone that hasn’t been vaccinated or, you know, so, so for me, if I know the person, I can pretty well attain here at home that they’re vaccinated and safe, but that transferred with me to Nashville.

And so when I was in podcast, When I was with our people in our group, I very fall asleep. Felt like I could be safe and not wear a mask, but I know logically that’s not true, but it was it’s conditioning, I think a little bit. Whereas like Californians were like, Hey, I can’t show you my face when it’s not, you know, like they were, they were still a little wigged out.

Um, and I mean, that makes sense. I will say that. I mean, knowing that Nashville. Has a very low vaccination rate and they have a lot of Delta pieces right now. Um, the airport, you wear a mask and on the airplane, they, they handed me a wipe as I got on. So I was like, oh, that’s very convenient. Wonderful. I bought sanitizer and I fell okay.

In the airport because it was Philly airport. And then I just didn’t touch anything in Nashville at the airport. Um, I tried not to, and then being there was hard because there were. A lot less attendees and even sponsors that they had planned for. And you could tell it was just like an emptier room and empty your keynote room, empty your parties.

Um, so that was interesting. And then, um, there was a big party, so they had Questlove DJ on Thursday night.

Oh, wait a minute.

The Questlove. Yes, it was amazing. Shut the front door. He was such a good DJ. I

love him. I love him. He DJ’ed your

party. He DJ the party. I was for iHeart. He DJ’ed the party. It was incredible.

He’s the best DJ I’ve ever danced too, again, because it was our group. I did not feel like I had to wear a mask. I’m sure that’s false with my friend. Like I was with Jen, our events director, who was like, well, if we’re going to get COVID tonight’s tonight.

Oh, come on that. Now was she the one dressed in white?

I couldn’t

tell if that was Holly. That’s my friend. Holly, who has a podcast? Well, she was a stylist, so she’s yeah. She’s like that

gorgeous. So wait a minute. When you say your, your group was quest. Doing

your sheep podcast was a private party. Yeah. It was a private party. How did you do that? How did you manage?

That was me. Not me. It was puck has

movement. Oh, I thought you were saying, you said because it was our group. I felt a false sense of

security, meaning the podcasters.

Oh, I thought you meant that you

got them for your, oh, I wish that’d be amazing, but no. Um, no, but I mean, It was a huge party. It was a ton of people.

It was lots of dancing. It was open bar it’s Tennessee. So you drink a lot of Jack Daniels. Oh no, it’s a little dude too much for me for that was a lot. I wasn’t scared. Then the next night we went to downtown Nashville. And it was like times square, but shorter, but like all the lights and like, it was totally packed.

And that’s when I became terrified because I

lived there. Right. I lived there for two years.


I think you told me. Yeah. So I know exactly. And the mentality, I mean, terrifying and we won’t go into it. Cause this is all about being positive in Q and a what have you, but literally found out a better friend.

33 year old daughter who was in the hospital with COVID lives in, you know, Nashville. So I emailed a mutual friend of ours. I said, please let this be serve. As it may be an inspiration and motivation to get backstage. It’s like, oh, well, I’ll have to check in with her and see what’s going on. But thanks for your concern.

Yeah, we’re a little different down there. And we knew that that’s when I was scared. Yeah. The general population scares me our own podcasting con. I mean, they should scare me, but they didn’t. Um, but I was definitely terrified walking around downtown Nashville. I felt like any minute someone was going to sneeze on me, it was so such close quarters.

So we just, we ran out of there. I went to a candy store. I bought a pair of teeth. Cowboy booties, like little ones, and then we ran out cause I had to go shopping, um, priorities. Um, so yeah, so, so as far as like, I mean, I, I, if you’re talking about lessons as far as like being in person or not being in person,


I’m talking about takeaways as far as what can, what did you glean that you can bring back to your phone

and share with us? Well, I don’t go to sessions anymore, so I don’t mean to disappoint you, but, um, but I haven’t been to a session at podcast movement in a really long time, mostly because in my experience I have.

Better experiences with the people in the hallway. I, I use my time when I’m at a conference to solidify and continue relationships. So I walk around the expo. I walk around the hallways. I see people that I know. I try to have lunch with people that I know. I try to have breakfast with people. I ask almost everyone, if they’re going to be at a party, it doesn’t matter if I’m sure.

I just ask everyone if I’m like, will you be there tonight? I’ll see you tonight. You know, I want people to feel like I want to see them. And then, and then, you know, I ended up eating with this person or that person. I will also say that, like, I know this isn’t a takeaway either, but like, there were so many people missing that I normally hang out with.

And that was huge. That was like a huge. Like my friends, weren’t there, my normal crew wasn’t there. And I mean, it’s not a small crew. It’s like everyone in their mother, but most of the people that are, I guess, my age or my, you know, at my, I don’t want to say level, but like, you know, like Liz Covar, who’s like, who does like Brent England’s world or Katie Kermit so’s who, you know, we we’ve known each other since we’ve started podcasting.

Just that type of level. It’s not really a level. Um, but they weren’t there. Yeah. It was just, you know, it was kind of, that part was hard. I think it was, it was a little lonely, um, I was there with my team. It was the first time I was there with the team. We had a party that she podcast party, and that was awesome.

There were 200 people there, maybe over, we had drink tickets. There was a line down the thing for the, for the bar we were on, we had our logo on the, the main stage was the biggest audience I ever saw. And there’s tiny little me on this giant stage. I was shaking like a leaf of the biggest stage I’ve ever been.

I’ve never had stage. I wasn’t frightened like stage fright, but like, I was just like, this is going to be great. Great. Hold on a kill with my paper. Something’s wrong. What’s happening to me. Like I just was shaking for no, you know what I mean? Like, I didn’t know. I didn’t like consciously feel nervous, but my body was like, you know, um, but it was really fun.

Um, it was great to see you. She podcasters, they all got buttons and like some other little treats. We did a raffle, they want prizes. It was really good. I have to say podcasts movement. We have done, um, meetups. We’ve done workshops. We’ve done sessions. We’ve done fireside chats. I think my favorite thing for us to do is a party.

I love hosting parties at podcast movement. It’s just the most fun. It was not cheap this time around cause the Gaylord is crazy expensive, but it was really. Um, I would like to keep doing that with them. Like, I know it’s a sponsorship or whatever, but I really like hosting parties there, like having a social thing to do, you know, this is good.

Is it always in Nashville? No. Uh, next year in Dallas, they do, I would say they do the majority of them in the south, but they’ve done Philly, Chicago, LA Anaheim. That’s pretty much it. Dallas, Dallas, Dallas, Dallas, Nashville, Dallas, Austin, Texas one year. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I’ve been to Dallas in the summertime cause that’s just a cool, mellow easy experience.

Yeah. I mean, I mean, when I go to Dallas, I don’t usually venture outside the hotel. Surprised I didn’t care.

You just can’t you just, and if you do you go from there directly into something, air conditioned. Cause otherwise you just show up

and you’re like, yeah,

sorry. Squeezing out

my army year. Yeah, it was.

I mean, it was pretty hot there too. Anyway,

I’m sure we’ll have questions. These are things they want to ask you. I just really wanted to get an update because I know so many people from, well, I think like half a dozen people from our, uh, she podcast coaching group were there. I know Tracy was there a split, a group, um, that, you know, there was other people there.

So I just wanted to. See how it went and if there were any takeaways

and I wish I had more takeaways for you, I mean, I have more take, I usually give more advice about attending them, you know, like how to conserve your energy, what to pack, that kind of stuff. I stopped going to sessions a while ago. Not because I don’t have anything to learn, but just because I find the, I find the downtime during sessions to be more valuable for what, for what I’m trying to accomplish.

She just said by the way, and you may have touched on it. I think you did it on one of your social media posts, but talking about, for people who haven’t gone, I don’t go to a lot of conferences, but I’ve been to them. And I know how, if you don’t plan your energy and time, right. You can be spent by the first, excuse me, first night and certainly packing


first, my first one, I showed up with three suitcases and I’m like you idiot.

So, um, maybe, you know, that is a, uh, like a live Q and a or something you could address while attending she podcasts live for the first time about how to plan your time, how to pack what’s the best way to, you know, be part of the tracks, et cetera. I think that would be really helpful.

Oh, that’s a good idea.

You know what? I’m going to write that down. That’s a really good idea. I have

them once in a while, so you can have that one. That’s

my one for the month. Thanks. Conserve energy and attend attending directions. All right. I’m going to keep that as subject to take care of before the event. Thank you, sheriff.

That was very, very helpful. Um, during the fireside. Uh, people were not very happy about the mark Cuban. Um, keynote, I guess he was presenting a new product called fireside and in doing so. Sort of tore down a little bit of the industry and how it currently functions in order to build up his solution to a problem that none of the rest of us think exists.

So that was interesting because hearing like the buzz after that, of like, of like, who does he think he is? And that was so insulting and it was a big infomercial. And what problem does that solve? Like it’s not even like, that was very interesting. I mean, I, I. I didn’t go to the keynote, but Elsie was watching it live.

She was watching everything live stream, and that was cool. So I got to see a panel with them. Jill Scott Charlemagne the God and, um, Dolly, Bishop, who’s the head of, um, one of the, I heart, the black podcast network for iHeart and the CEO was doing all the questions like a white guy of course, was asking them about black.

The session was black voices in podcasting. And I will see that it did rub me the wrong way that he was like moderating that panel. It really

bothered me. It’s like a guy moderating a panel for women and, you know, trying to address women’s issues from a male perspective. And you’re like, excuse me, but why don’t you have a women, a woman,

women, any women?

I mean, I mean, he’s the CEO. So like, I guess in his head, he’s entitled to interview Jill Scott, which is like, okay, fine. Like a white man questioning black people about why black voices in podcasting felt to me. And I mean, I’m not a person of color, so I won’t speak for people of color. For me, it felt like pandering a little bit.

Well as, okay. So as a white woman, if you felt that, can you imagine what it’s like being a black woman? I mean, I feel that way too. It’s like you,

first of all, I don’t need to

justify myself. You know, why, why is that even a question about anyway, so he may not have had any nefarious,

you know, thing? No, I’m sure he was well intended, but just every question sounded a little bit like pandering because yeah.

It was like, well, why is this important? Well, um, how did you get started and why do you keep going? Like it’s yeah, it just

felt not how or why. I mean, those are natural questions.

I all natural questions. It just rubbed me the wrong way coming from his mouth.

I get it. And, and sometimes we have, you know, I will speak for myself.

I need to pull back and go look, if these were questions addressed to other people, they would seem natural because that’s just all part of the podcasting journey. But because it’s coming from a particular person, you know, it, it seems, I, I, I totally hear what you’re saying, Jeff. And do we, did we scare off?


I’m sorry. She looked like she had a, some kind of notification that she had to go. Got it. I don’t think she got scared when she

left this. Are you still there? Are you with

us? Jacqueline, Jacqueline. There you are. Hello? Oh, great.

He’s eating grapes. Peel me a grin. Come on.

That’s okay. Wonderful. Delicious.

Um, so what else?

So, well, I do have a question and you know, we’ll you and I will chat Chitty chat about this later on, but you mentioned a lot of. Sponsors who are normally there. Hello? There she is. Hello.

You’re back. Um, here comes Tommy.

So you mentioned, um, that sponsors were not, I mean, did you get a sense of, is it what’s going on with the virus as to why people weren’t there?

Is it the economy? Is it just

it’s it definitely wasn’t the. Yeah. Okay. Especially tech companies, they’re doing very, very well. Um, it was definitely the Delta, I think at the last minute sponsors decided not to travel right now. They just felt it was too risky. Um, so some of the booths were empty and some of the booths had, um, I don’t want to say advertise, but they had listed the staff that was going to be, and then none of the decision makers were there.

Like they all decided at the last minute not to go for whatever reason, I’m sure it had to do with the Delta variant. Um, so yeah, so that was a little strange, cause I mean, I did go there to talk to sponsors and it ended up that like half the people that I went to talk to, um, weren’t there for one reason or another.

So that was interesting. Um, I’m not having a hard time. Getting sponsors. In fact, even with half of the missing, we signed like another four or five while we were there. It’s attendees that I’m, that are troubling me. And I know that people sign up last minute. And this is between us. You guys are the circle of trust, you know?

So like don’t, don’t leak my information or anything,

but like, even though it’s being recorded, I’ve just

being recorded. But for super squad. So listen, if you’re watching this. Don’t leak it. No. Um, I mean, there’s not much to leak. It’s just that we offered a coupon code for tickets. We reminded people about the coupon code while we were there for podcast movement ticket, we may be sold one or two, like it should have been 50.

And, and during an after podcast movement, we should have sold like a hundred tickets. And we sold, we’ve sold like 10 in the last 10 days, but the spot or ships are rolling in. So like, it was like the opposite problem. Like I was getting attendees like crazy and sponsors. I was having to like, you know, do cartwheels for, so it’s a very strange shift.

I’m sure it has to do with the Corona virus, but as a result, like, how am I supposed to plan? Uh, I don’t want to plan a conference for just sponsors and speakers.

Well, I just a thought that came to mind. I mean, I don’t know if this would be an incentive, but maybe, you know, for those who purchase a ticket, they can also get the library from 2019.

Like you could offer them as an incentive, like two for one, you get two for one conferences that if you miss 2019, our very first sheet podcast slide, you purchase a ticket for them. Not only do you get the virtual ticket for this year, but you also get the virtual

ticket for 2019. So I’ve gotten recordings for conferences before I have literally never watched them is what you’re going to say, Adrian.

Yeah. And the other thing that I was going to say is for the people that attended last year, have you gone back to them and ask them, you know, specifically, personally to attend number one, um, and then if they’re not attending, are you find out why you have to find out why, so that then you can address that problem?

Yeah, so I can, so I have active campaigns, so I can tag everyone who attended last year. And then un-tag everyone who’s already speaking or bought a ticket and reach out to them. I made a survey like, but it was mostly COVID related. Like, are you planning on attending? Are you nervous about this? Are you going on a plane?

Have you been booked a home? You know what I mean? Like, um, maybe we just pick a handful of people to randomly speak to so that you can get some insights. I don’t mind just asking people like, or giving them a coupon code, even like, Hey, here’s, you know, 20% off your ticket. Cause you were, it might not be about the money though.

It’s probably not

very good. Very, very good point, Adrian, because you’re right. I mean, I’m just trying to think of an incentive that would add value to it, but you’ve got, you’ve got to find out the reason why, and. Because if you give a coupon code, it’s, that’s nice. It’s very generous. But at the same time, there’s, they’ve got to have some skin in it.

Yeah. I’m not, I’m not

using the term. Let’s just take my speakers. We’re okay, Tommy, no problem. Um, let’s just take my speakers. For example, last year I had two from Australia, two or three from the UK. Uh, Probably five from Canada. That’s 10 people right there that can’t sign up. Can’t apply to speak. Can’t travel.

Canada just had their doors open, but they also just got vaccines. So if they were going to buy tickets, it wouldn’t be for another month. That’s three weeks before, you know what I mean? So that’s just, that’s just non Americans. So 10 out of like, I mean, how many speakers did you have? 150. What does that like, uh, 15%.

That’s that’s, you know, and that’s just foreigners. So nevermind like people in California who are nervous and people in, you know, are people who are immune compromised or live with someone immune compromised, or just decided, you know, like a lot of the sponsors that were interested. I mean, at least 20 of them from last year.

I mean, I’ve had to definitely reach out and get newbies because. Like Spotify and PRX and Patriot there. They were like, we’re not, we’re not doing anything. We haven’t committed to pre pandemic, which is why Spotify was at podcast movement, but going forward, they’re not committing to anything, nothing, but she was like, but keep in touch.

Cause we’d really like to help you in the future. And I mean, that’s great. Okay. Lovely. Um, and I will definitely hit her up for that, but those are, but that’s a, that’s a solid percentage of sponsors that, that have said no as well. Can

I ask, oh,

go ahead. I’m sorry, go

ahead. Can I ask you then, um, because this could be a reality.

I mean, I live in California as you know, I’m a little bit. You know, I mean, we probably watch far too much and keep our

nervous. You guys have a problem. It’s like 19% breakthrough cases there. It’s ridiculous. Yeah. It’s you know,

um, plus I also live in a, in Sonoma county, which there’s a lot of red in this state.

Um, and a lot of people who don’t believe in the back, no offense to anybody who’s don’t don’t mean to ruffle any feathers. I don’t know. No. So my question to you and, and, you know, I’m sure you’ve chatted about it with the team. Do you have a plan B so that if it turns out that people just are really set that, you know what, it’s still too soon things, God forbid get worse.

Um, you know, very reasons why people decide, you know, it, I registered, but I may not go. I mean, is there a plan B in case you don’t, you know, get the response that you want for all the work that you’ve done?

So I reached out the hotel to the hotel, um, recently to seeing, I mean, how amicable they would be if we were to postpone rebook, whatever, the first time we did this.

I mean, it was obviously last year we had booked the hotel in Scottsdale, December, 2019 in March. I was like, I’m not sure we can do this. And they said, Arizona’s fine. There’s no travel restrictions. Everything is wonderful. And then in may, everything in Arizona exploded. So I called them back and I was like, yeah, I can’t ask people to come and speak.

In Arizona or, or attend. And so they were like, well, it’s considered a cancellation and we’re going to waive the fee and we’re gonna, you know, we’ll keep your down payment and then we’ll just have to rebook and have a brand new contract. And I was like, okay, that’s fine. But it was a whole, he was Vic. I mean, the guy that I was working with was very defensive, pretty angry.

He sounded panicked and right. Probably rightfully so. But needless to say, we pushed it a year all as well. So when I reached out again and I mean, last year when that happened, I put a rebooking clause that said, should the group have to rebook for any reason they are allowed to do so within 12 months of the, of the event.

So when I talked to him the other day, he was like, well, we would consider it a cancellation. And since, since it’s within 90 days of the day, You would owe us the damages. And once that was paid, you could rebook. And I was like, well, the contract doesn’t say anything about that. And I mean, why would I put a rebooking clause in there if it’s, if you’re just going to follow like the cancellation policy, like it made no sense to me.

Um, but they weren’t very, they, weren’t very excited about the idea of switching that around. Um, and. Yeah. I mean, when I say damages, I just mean like everything that I would owe them, both for hotel room and food and beverage, they would want paid upfront in order to give me another date. Um, so I can’t really do that because that’s crazy talk.

And, uh, and I mean, I was just kinda like, well, I mean, you could, if you could Sue me, I mean, I wouldn’t have it. So why would you bother, like, you could see the tree in my backyard for the same amount of money and you would get the same result. Cause if I, you know, like if I don’t have a sponsorship and attendance, like, what are you gonna, you know, go for it.

Um, but, but so far, we’re, we’re just sticking with the state for now and seeing what we can do. The other option is to have a smaller event where we just have speakers and we live stream like, like the speakers are each other’s audience. And we live stream each session so that people can feel like they’re attending, but it’s a much, much smaller event that may hurt my, what they call the hotel pickup.

Like if there’s a certain amount of nights that you have to fulfill that, like you, you kind of guess like, okay, um, this many people, I guess this many hotel nights will be booked and then you’re on, you’re kind of on the hook for that. So, um, just so you can have a little insight as to how it all works.

Although I know Adrian, you already know, but, um, But, yeah, so that could still work with speakers and sponsors. Um, I think it could still work and it would be okay, but I don’t want to do that. I’d rather just move it to another time when everyone can come. That’s I don’t want to do a virtual event in any way, shape or form, and I don’t necessarily want to do an event where everyone feels terrified to come or, or has to wear a mask or.

You know, feels like their health is at risk. Like that, that means more to me than everything else. You know, whenever I owe them is whatever. I don’t want people to feel scared that they’re going to get their kids sick. You know, that makes me nervous. I don’t know. What do you guys think? I mean, there’s no real good backup plan.

I mean, creative speak creatively speaking. There’s not a lot of options, you know,

if, if I can just say, aye, aye. You know, people are more apt to do things. If they feel a level of comfort or safety, you know, I, yeah. I mean, I literally can count on one hand, the amount of events I’ve been to in the past year and a half, and I was invited to something, uh, August 20th, it’s an outdoor event, but I know these people, um,


just say there’s probably going to be half the people there who haven’t had the vaccine.

And even though it’s outdoors, I know there’s going to be a lot of people. There’s a lot of these people haven’t seen each other for a long time. I’ll probably be backing out because my level of comfort in knowing that to be around these people, versus if she podcasts live, made a statement and said your health is our number one priority.

As a result, we will be, you know, And of course gauging what happens as we get closer. But please know, and, and I think you alluded to this on one of your posts about how podcasts movement had this, where, you know, you either have a button that says, please, I’m comfortable with you being this close, or you have mass, you have sanitizers.

So you make it to where you’re appealing to people’s fears to say, look, we’re acknowledging them. These are big, these are real fears, but we are going to do our best to make sure your health is our number one price.


Uh, so, um, because you know, this event that I have on the 20th, I don’t know that.

I don’t know that.

Would it make you guys feel safe if I made everyone show proof of vaccine

or no, I mean, like right now, the, the variants don’t seem to give a crap about vaccine, but I mean, technically those people. Not be contagious. I could have everyone do a test on site, a rapid test. Oh, that’s not a bad idea. I didn’t even think of that until just this moment. We could all do rapid test on site and then whoever is positive.

Just gets the hell out of there. Or maybe just have them. I don’t know. I’m not at minimum. You could still know, you could certainly check temperatures and things like that. I don’t know. I don’t know what people feel, how they feel. I mean, there’s certain protocols, we’re all used to, I don’t happen to have a problem wearing a mask, you know?

So, um, certainly I think if, if you let people know, like, you know what, we’re a mass comfortable wearing place, you know, it’s the nobody feels like it’s weird to do it. You know? I mean, obviously nowadays, but he wears them. Yeah. I don’t know. I mean, it’s, it’s so hard to say because a lot of it’s going to depend for me because, you know, I have a virtual ticket and I very much want to switch it to a per in-person ticket.

I very much want to see you guys in person. Yeah. Love to hug you. But if we decide not to do hugs, that’s okay too. I mean, you could, you could kind of try to have, I think Cheryl’s right. As far as like setting a tone, you could say, you know what, every one has a different comfort level and an order to in, in these sort of social situations.

I don’t, I’m not going to know a lot of people, although I know some of you, and of course you want to go up and hug everyone, you know, and you could, you could even kind of say, try to create a culture of we’re going to kind of almost make that the default that we don’t have. We’re going to pretend that we’re in the middle of, you know, the default can be, we don’t.

We always kind of asked, do you want to hug? You know, like, and just people are going to do whatever they’re going to do, but you could set that as the culture. I’m not saying you’re going to do this. I’m putting it out into neutral. I mean, and also if that’s something that if I know that everyone’s kind of thinking that even the people that are rolling their eyes or whatever, you know, like if that’s the culture that you create, Um, I know I would feel safer if I knew that everyone was kind of thinking about like, well, we’re probably gonna not hug just in case, even if we’ve all been vaccinated because people don’t really want to show their cards.

I don’t think that, um, doing a test is a bad idea. My son just went to like a. Sleepaway camp for a week and a half. And they were rigorous. I mean, he’s been vaccinated. They needed, he needed to show his card. Then he had to mail in a negative test. And then they had people just when they got there and they had everyone check their temperature and no one, you know, they were really, really rigorous because even though this is not sleepaway camp, when you’re spending.

A couple of days. I don’t know how many days is it? Is it two or three days? It’s two days, right? Three. And you’re spending that kind of time together. It might as well be sleepaway camp cause everyone’s eating together. Everyone’s hanging out together. And everyone’s my question, Tammy. So if you, if you have a virtual ticket and you want to buy an in-person ticket, what is the reason that you haven’t purchased the tickets?

It would just be a swap. I don’t think I have to pay him army. It’s just swap it. Forget about it because I haven’t for this very reason, but that’s the question. So if Jessica said I’m putting all these protocols in place, so that everyday it would weigh me, certainly in that, I mean, I’m still going to kind of, because we’re in a place right now where things are starting to shift, obviously, if they got much worse in the next couple of weeks or, or month, you know, It may be well, it’s not going well.

She canceled the Bravo con in New York city was canceled. I just got a note from the JCC that said that Delaware is now considered a high what’s it called? A high. We have now have like a high transmission level or something. It reminds me so much of when COVID first hit, because I had a conference to go to that I was so excited to go to.

I couldn’t wait. And it was in March.

And, um,

and it was one of those things where everyone was holding out, everyone was holding out. Maybe it’s not going to be, maybe it’s not going to be. And then they finally had to cancel and it’s just heartbreaking. Heartbreaking know I’d rather do it now than ever. I mean, because even the level of, even the level of things that I would need to.

It’s just the speakers alone. Like figuring out if they can still come on a different date. What, you know, things get worse. Some of the speakers might start canceling on you too. Yeah. They’re all gonna have to change their flight information. Like so many flights. Yeah. It’s a shit show. It is. It really is.

Um, So, yeah, so we’re sort of like, we’re S we are moving ahead as if it were happening. And then if we are presented with another viable option, you know, that we can do, we might take it depending. I mean, I don’t see, I mean, it would be great if things were getting better, it just doesn’t seem like it’s going that direction at the moment.

And how long do you wait and pretend like it’s not, you know, I do like the idea of presenting a negative test. I mean, you’re right. You should treat it like to sleep away camp. I liked the idea of presenting a negative test. Like, no, no. Earlier than, I mean, let’s see if it starts on like October 14, like you have to have a negative test, like by the, like on or after the eighth, you know, something like that.

I don’t even know if that is even, but that doesn’t mean you didn’t get, you know, exposed. Airport. So then what you do, there’s no guarantees. You’re basically, like I said, you’re kind of creating a culture, you know, you’re, you’re letting people know that you’re going to take all these precautions. You’re letting people know that we’re going to be in an environment where we all understand.

We might not be hugging. We might be staying a little distant because sometimes if that’s not, like I just went to a baby shower, my cousin’s baby shower. And there was like a handful of us on a table that was outside and everyone else was inside altogether with no masks on. And yeah. It was fine. I was happy to be there, but I just, you know, and they weren’t, nobody was like, rolling your eyes at us or anything, but you can imagine that they were probably like, oh, those people out there, you know, and then it was time to open presents.

Everyone was inside together. And so we just sort of huddled along the wall with our masks on, I felt like an idiot, you know, like it was just, you know, it was like they were having a party and we were at, so it’s fun when people have different feelings. But if you do go ahead with it, I would feel like, let’s say.

Start to level off a little, because it’s a little different now because the vaccinations, right. So it’s a little different than it was back when it originally happened. But for me, um, if things sort of leveled off or even started to improve a little and you were going ahead with it, and I knew that there was going to be a culture.

Yeah. Caution. I think I’d feel comfortable coming to say that maybe I would drive I’m in LA. I don’t know. But, um, knowing that we’re, you know, the kind of group that it is and that there is that communication and that people do respect each other. And that if you put that out there and set the tone for it, I’d feel comfortable.

Yeah. Okay. That’s good to know. Um, you’re going to another event during that time. No, I’m going on a postponed vacation, the 25th wedding anniversary that was postponed. And we’re, we’re thinking that it looks like it might even get postponed again. Yeah. That’s good to know. You don’t want to go and then not be able to do the things that we want to do.

So we’d rather, yeah. I’d rather wait to hear yet. Where were

you going? Adrian. Hawaii. Oh, beautiful. Yeah. Well, I’m going to, I’m going to hope for you that you and I do have a question, Jessica, because it is Arizona. Um, what is the protocol within the hotel? Are they wearing masks? Are they, you know, do they have stations where there’s sanitized?

I mean, like I know in California, every place you walk into, whether people. You know, uh, use it or adhere to it. Most people do, but they have the signs on the door. They have sanitizers, the moment you walk in, what is the hotel doing?

I mean, when I was there, it was the beginning of June and it was like June six or seventh or something like that.

So like, what they were doing then is probably going to be different than what they’re doing now. I would hope. W most people were not wearing masks. And Arizona was like a no mask mandate state. We were outside most of the time, so we didn’t wear masks, but also we were all vaccinated. And at the time, like end of may early June, we were just like, it was like three weeks out from being vaccinated.

So everyone was just like, you know, and like, so, I mean, there wasn’t much. I mean, we were eating off of like, you know, regular China. Like I know that during the hardest parts of the, um, of the pandemic, that the hotel was only using like throwaway, silverware and co and, um, um, not flatware, you know, like.

Disposables disposable. Everything was disposable. No one was touching dishes or washing dishes. And like, I really was kind of dreading that cause I was like, God, I don’t want it. People come into this fancy hotel eating off styrofoam. That’s the worst thing I’ve ever heard. Um, I mean, not the worst thing, right?

The worst thing is everyone dying from coming. But like, you know, second to that is styrofoam plates in my opinion. So, I mean, I don’t know. I mean, I know that there’s a lot of sanitizer. I don’t know if he’ll make the staff wear masks. The, they weren’t wearing masks when I was there. No one was wearing anything when, when I was there.

So that maybe have changed, maybe it depends on the culture too, right? Like, like you guys were saying like, like Florida is telling the superintendents of schools that they’re going to withhold pay. If they make children wear a mask, Which is like crazy, but it makes the citizens of Florida say bucket, right?

So like, so like, I don’t feel comfortable going, I wouldn’t go to Florida right now knowing that like there’s a ban on bans, which makes no, you know what I mean? Like it’s just silliness. So it depends on the culture. I don’t, I don’t recall the culture there being particularly red, although I know it typically is in


It voted blue this time, but

they’re still, they’re still in like their six recount. Do you know that?

No, they are still counting the votes. Yeah, that’d be kidding me. Yeah. Yeah.

So yeah. Good luck with that. They’re all they’re about as red, if not redder than my food

as, yeah. Okay. But I didn’t feel the culture there really, like, I mean, but again, I was just in the hotel.

I didn’t go anywhere else. So it’s hard to say, I would say based on podcasts movement, I would be happier if we could move it, but I’m not sure that we can that’s all. So I think the ideas that we’ve, you know, like you said, that creating a culture that safety’s first. Um, I S but the other thing is like, I can’t like unlike podcast movement, I can’t switch to a virtual ticket and have a virtual component.

Like your virtual ticket. We’ll get you the recordings. We can’t live stream because their wifi is so expensive. Like they, they charge an exorbitant amount for wifi and they, and they throttle it if you don’t pay. So there’s not a lot that, I mean, like last year we were able to livestream the main stage and.

It’s possible. We’ll be able to do that again. If I can get Podbean to come and do it, but otherwise like a virtual ticket just means you’ll see the sessions like a couple of weeks later, which isn’t that much fun. There’s no interactive version. There’s no schmoozing with people online. There’s none of that.

Cause I, I know I very much want to come and meet everybody in person and see, I mean, I really want them to do that. I just, you know, it’s so much, it’s going to depend on what the next few weeks look like. Yeah. Yeah. I think Jessica, I think that’s your attendee issue is just wait and see. I don’t think it’s has anything to do with interest or wanting to get back together in person.

I just think that not everybody is just we’re we’re gun shy, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And I am too. Yeah. So I’m working on it. That’s the end. I’m just working on it. Um, but I hope your may is free just in case he may open other than others say, is that your backup next may. I mean, that’s what I mean. I would try not to push another year.

Okay, good to know. I didn’t hear that at the beginning. No, I didn’t say it earlier saying it now. Like I would, if I would try as hard as I can, they may make me, I mean, a lot of events have been pushed to spring already. I may not have that choice, but if it were up to me, I would like to do it in the spring.

Yeah. Cause we’re all, I’m almost there time. I’m almost there too. It’s like, everything is, I’m almost there. If I wait a year, everything will fall apart. The speakers will find other things to do, and the sponsors will be like, what’s your name again? And I don’t want to do any of that. Like just six months, six months.

I just want a few more months for things to, you know, even themselves out again. Yeah, spring is beautiful. I hopefully it’s beautiful out there. Is that what you’re saying?

Yeah. Oh no. It’s that is the time to go to Arizona. That, I mean, he really is. It’s starting to just. You know, like, yeah, it’s it. I mean, the desert is gorgeous during winter and spring.

It’s the summer and like late summer months that are just like, yeah. But, um, I, I love the MREs. The, you know, it’s very, very elaborate when you’re taking us through the tour with your, your video and you’re showing. You know, the, not as cool Mister over there.

I know it’s like who, what, Mr. Yeah. So yeah, when he first walked in, they missed you with cold water.

There’s like a, it’s like, you know, I don’t know if you’ve been to Vegas, they do that with perfume. So you can’t smell the cigarette smoke. It’s similar to that, but it’s water. It’s like very lightly Misty freezing cold water, because most people are usually, I guess, dying of heat when they get there. Yeah.

Very un-PC here in California with all the fires and water shortage that we’re having. I mean, you know, it’s like if you see someone, cause we have a lot of the, especially I lived in LA Tommy, you see the people who are blown. Kind of blow torching, the sidewalks with water to keep them clean. You’re like, are you kidding me?

We’re in the middle of anyway. So yeah,

the only water shortage I’ve ever experienced was at camp and they made us stop taking showers and we had to go in the pool twice. That was kind of gross. Right? Wait, wait. So the chlorine

was your,

I mean, we call that a chlorine shower. It’s three days. It was like Wednesdays and Sundays.

And then in between we were just in the pool. Cause it was already full. I guess all they had to do is maintain it. A lot of sunscreen in there. I can imagine, but like, yeah, that was terrible. Water shortage is the worst. Oh, so sorry about that. Anyway. Well, wish me luck. We wish you a lot of luck. If you have questions about anything else, I’m happy to answer them.

But yeah. Other than that, I’m sure it’ll be wonderful. I’m excited. I don’t think I’m, I think I might lose this recording. What do you guys think? Should I lose this recording? Skip it. You know, it was, it was podcast movement. You didn’t get to do the Q and a that’s just how it went. Jackie’s dying, but you know, I’m like, that was a lot of information and I’m hoping you will forget what I’ve told you in this session.

sorry. I was thinking if they had bleach coming through the vapor as well, that would like, I mean, that could work. Certainly make us all look very blonde. But other than that, I’m not sure it would work. That’s really funny.

Yeah, Steven, you know, I I’m booked to come in person. I was really excited. Like I was really pushing myself to actually try and do some social things. Cause I’ve been so much on my own, not socializing. That was kind of my. Go for the full was to actually work and do it and try and get back to that from the days when I used to always do it.

And, but now as you talk about it, and I think about my God, I would be sitting in a room with like, I don’t want to go to the movie theaters. It would be worse than going to the moon. I mean, I did actually go to the movie theater with my daughter. I mean, well, not a family. It was the best thing ever, but you know, I, I, as you talk about it, I stopped to think about it differently.

So again, I, and I think at that time of year outside, isn’t even much of an option there. Yeah. Not to video things outside, but I haven’t been to the movie theater, you know, I’m in, I’m in conversation regularly with people down. My parents live in Australia, so they’re in lockdown again. Oh, my other colleague is, is it locked down in Brisbane for the first time?

But they’re not vaccinated, but Australia isn’t as a whole. Um, so I definitely hear, you know, I’m hearing different things. Yeah. You know, it’s like, okay. It feels like it’s coming. Yeah, it does. And I was really hoping it wouldn’t yeah. Um, school wasn’t going to be studying again or have already, so I think that’s going to shift.

Cause that’s what shifted in, um, in Brisbane Australia, my, my colleague was saying that the school. It was spreading through the schools and the kids weren’t getting sick, but it was really going through the schools. So I’m not sick. Like the one I like Isaac has a little friend that, um, what tested positive last week, she wasn’t sick.

They just happened to test every once in a while. And only one of them had it. She’s not sick. She has no symptoms, but they still have to quarantine the entire bunk. Everyone who’s in her little bug is home this week with no camp, even though they are. Seem perfectly healthy. They have to, you know, of course you have to show a negative test to go back.

I would want that too. Um, but yeah, school. Yeah. That’s going to be rough. I mean, at least he’s used to going to school, wearing a mask all day, like, like telling him that is not going to be Aw, man. Like he won’t care. He’s never been to school without it, at this point, because he’s just.

So that’s kind of weird though, right? That he’s never been to school that a COVID this is a real bummer. It’s a real Bari. I mean, no, I’m just a bummer to, I

had my head

in the sand. I was like,

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