09/28/21- Elsie’s QA- It’s the headphone episode!
It’s the headphone episode! We go waaaaay into – Do you really need headphones to edit your show?
– What type do you need?
– How much money do you really need to spend? (This will surprise you)
– When do you need what type of headphone?We also discuss headphone workflows – yes there is such a thingAnd editing workflow!This is possibly one of the nerdiest podcast episode ever – but if there ever was a reason why the She Podcasts Super Squad is gold, it’s because of this kind of nuanced info that you simply won’t get anywhere else
These are the ones Elsie wears when she live streams (vanity headphones) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0038W0K2U/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
These are the super fancy Shure microphones that are the expensive like the above https://www.shure.com/en-US/products/earphones/se215cl
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amazon.com ROCUSO Noise-Isolating Musician’s In Ear Monitor, Wired Over Ear Stereo Bass Headphones with Microphone, Waterproof Sport Earbuds for Running, Jogging, Gym, ClearROCUSO Noise-Isolating Musician’s In Ear Monitor, Wired Over Ear Stereo Bass Headphones with Microphone, Waterproof Sport Earbuds for Running, Jogging, Gym, Clear (54 kB)https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06VY2Z3P6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
shure.comSE215 Pro – Professional Sound Isolating™ EarphonesSE215 Professional Sound Isolating™ Earphones provide clear sound and deep bass through a single high-definition driver in a durable, discrete design with detachable 3.5 mm (1/8”) audio cable. (18 kB)https://www.shure.com/en-US/products/earphones/se215cl1:40
You guys have some special time. All right, great. So the question that I had today let us get started with all of the things was about over the ear headphones. I know there’s a very, very unique question. So the question was I’ve been wearing the standard Apple earbuds when recording and editing my pod episodes I keep seeing and hearing about headphones which I’ve never used, Is there much of an advantage to wearing them especially when editing also, can you recommend one or two good quality options may be around $200 or less and that’s from Stacey. Okay, so I did, I do have a couple of options here. But first when we talk about headphones like and editing and over the ear and all of that stuff when it comes to recording so one of the key things that is you do have to wear them so that’s the number one thing because it especially when you’re recording wearing them is very, very important. I tend to prefer headphones that keep a little bit of the outside noise out of my ears when I’m recording. Sometimes like the ones that I’m wearing right now are kind of a little bit and noise cancelling not 100% the only reason that they’re noise cancelling is because they have those little rubbery things in their ear. So it kind of closes the ears a little bit off. And the reason that I like that when I’m recording is because I can hear my voice and that’s really one of the key things when you are recording is for you to be able to hear yourself in your own ears so that you know if you’re too close to the mic if you’re too far away from the mic if you’re you can even hear at that moment. When you are maybe doing to muddy plosives or your SS are sounding weird or you can even catch yourself doing mouth noises I’m sure some of you who edit your own voices can understand what that is. So you have to that’s why I like to wear those headphones and I tend to prefer these but not it’s not a deal breaker if I’m not wearing anything like this that’s it and these are like $10 headphones these are not fancy these are not expensive. Let me see if I have another pair that I bought from Amazon too. I wear these when I travel and I have these that I take these on the go whenever I’m recording so I generally have two pairs of almost everything that is not like an iPad, right? Like it’s not super expensive. I’m not gonna get like two iPads. But if it’s a small cord, or if it’s a charger, or a mic stand like a small mic stand like a tripod stand. I work towards getting duplicates of everything because I have the things that set up in my in here when I’m recording and then there’s the stuff that I have that I take with me and that way I can travel with it and I don’t forget the bits and because in what I’m talking about the bits is something like this like I usually need headphones that are corded headphones when I’m recording because they’re more stable than recording with Bluetooth headphones. Bluetooth headphones look better a lot of the time because you don’t have those cords hanging out of your ears. So for you know vanity sake, they look better but usually they aren’t better for sound and one of the reasons that I’m wearing these headphones now these are over the year they are see through and you can’t see that I’m even wearing them so when it comes to like vanity sake, they’re they’re hiding and you don’t really have to see them they don’t call attention and I just literally I’m having them drop behind me right now. I’m gonna go ahead and whenever the the follow up for this q&a goes out, I’ll have a link to these so that you can see the ones that I wear when I record all that to say you don’t need anything fancy when you’re recording as long as you really can hear yourself coming into the ears. And the most important thing is that you know whether or not you are on mic, and when I say when you’re on mic, it means that you’re close enough to the mic and also that you have pick the mic on wherever you’re recording because a lot of the time we missed that step like we don’t hear ourselves picked up and we think that it’s something wrong with us but it’s an opportunity for us to listen, when it comes to editing your show. I tend to really just stick with the the ones that you’re using already. Just like the regular Apple ones because
Elsie Escobar4:58unless you’re doing really deep editing. And unless it’s for something like an audio book, because when I was editing, I’ve done two audio books that are not mine that I did for I read for somebody else. When I was in part of the package that I sold was that I would do the Edit, I would deliver the book the whole way. So I narrated it, I did, and the editing and I produced the whole thing. So when I was editing that book, I was very, very clear about making sure that I was catching any background noise that I possibly could. And I was being super extra about it, like I had it in my ears and I turned it up the stuff and I was trying to see if I heard cars or cats meowing or anything that I wasn’t supposed to be there because it’s a different thing. It’s an audio book. But whenever I’m editing my podcast, I don’t I forget I’m very forgiving by that the doors gonna open the child’s gonna come in, you’re gonna hear cars outside, somebody’s gonna mow the lawn, I’m I’m okay, as long as that sound isn’t overwhelming when I’m editing. And therefore most of that stuff, if I can hear it in the ears, it’s
Elsie Escobar6:23it merits maybe a paying of an attention to it. But for the most of the time, you have to remember where your audience is listening. My co host for the feed often says the majority of your audience is going to be like outside in the car, doing all of these other things when they are listening to your show. And so they’re going to miss out all of the nuances. They’re not going to hear the all those little noises on the outside. So it doesn’t matter. So you can still use your Apple headphones, which is fine with me. So I hope that that Stacy, you’re here. Yay. I’m so excited. So you caught a little bit of the back end of my question here. So but I do have, I am going to put this in the chat. Hold up. I’m gonna put it in the chat because I did get two choices for you. I believe that this these headphones are the ones that everybody in podcasting, like editors and people who do a lot of listening to shows, this is the ones that they buy. And I am I’m just sending that you can buy them in a lot of different places, their audio technica, and 50 axes or M 50. As long I think it’s like an M 50. Something, they usually range around $200. Sometimes they go on sale for like 150 or 175. But those are the ones that most people are like I’ve done, I’ve asked on social and this is one of the ones that comes back all the time. And then we just did an episode I actually Rob on the feed just talked about headphones and how he edits with the apple earbuds. That’s what he edits the show with. That’s what I edit the show in to. But then we had somebody write in and they said that they really, that even though that’s the case, he really believes in these headphones. And he shared these which are $79. So they’re a lot cheaper than the the real fancy Audio Technica that everybody loves. And these ones right there are several SM h 1000s. And those are 79. So if you want to do those, that’s great. Now that said, though, I do and I know this is really weird that I’m going to say this because of I do believe I’m not fully diagnosed. But I absolutely know that I have ADHD. And interestingly enough, whenever I I’m going to tell you Stacy, what I’m wearing right now and in a moment, but one thing that happens with my brain is whenever I have to do editing at home, I have a really hard time focusing on at the editing process because it’s so boring for my brain, I get no stimulation. And so I have a really hard time just sticking to the task. Like if I have like 30 minutes of content to do it sometimes takes me like three hours, not because it’s hard to edit but but because I can’t focus I just can’t, I have such a hard time to get in on it just doing the thing and you know, just finishing up but when I’m in the van as a passenger so rent like when we go as a family we have to go out 45 minutes to an hour every time that we go into town. So there’s a big chunk of time that I am essentially on the passenger seat and I can’t do anything. I can’t connect to anything I’m on my computer. That’s my favorite time to edit, because I have no out. And here’s the thing with my brain, the the stimulation of the cars moving super fast, and the moving forward stimulates my brain enough because it’s so chaotic on the outside that I can really focus on the editing, which is Bizarro. And it’s like medicine for my brain. So when I’m in there, I’m really focused and I can get through really fast when I’m editing content there. all that to say, when I’m in the van, that way, I actually wear my apple earbuds and then I wear my noise cancelling headphones over them
Elsie Escobar10:43so that I can and I don’t turn them that noise cancelling headphones on I just put them over so that it creates a suction cup. And I can listen because it’s so loud right in the van that our van is like so loud. It’s like you’re we’re like clanking all over the place. It’s an old old old van. And so I that keeps the sounds straight into my ears. And I’m good. So I it absolutely works. And I’m super stoked. So that’s how I edit and I adjust it based on my environment, the better the louder it is on the outside, the more you’re going to have to close your ears to focus, but not because you want to make it make the audio better, but because you just need to be able to hear the audio, the end, right? You just need to be able to hear it. And it’s much harder when there’s loudness outside. Okay, so let me see if I can very quickly find these on Amazon but do let me know if anybody has any you’re welcome to talk while I’m searching for things, my friends. While I am browsing my Amazon list. You are welcome to ask me questions because this is really the only one that I got today from Stacey so um, but you guys can talk so I don’t have to read your chat and I can search all orders.2Speaker 212:13I’ll tell you what we were saying in the chat. Okay, um, let’s see, Lena was was saying that she would get carsick before she opened the editing tool which is exactly what I was thinking without because I i love i agree with you Like sometimes it’s just so hard to get your brain to stay where it needs to stay even if it’s something you want to get done. And I love the idea of doing it in the car but I do get kind of queasy as soon as I start to do that which is difficult but um Stacy said that’s awesome. We need to see a pic of you editing in the car on social
Elsie Escobar12:44for doing that, I promise you. Yes, thank you.
12:49I think a lot of us relate. I see a lot of heads nodding.
Elsie Escobar12:51Okay good. Thank you Tommy for reading that. That way I can continue to keep searching I think this is one. These are the ones Hold on. I was just holding oh here we go. These are my backups. I’m gonna put these in the thing they’re 20 bucks. These are the ones I travel with. And they I got the clear ones because I want them to hide. So these are the ones whenever you see me recording she podcast in the wild like when I’m not in here. These are the ones I’m wearing and they are over the ear they have the little cord that goes over the ear and they and you can hang on from the back. These were the backups because I could not find I think the ones that I was looking for were sold out. These are the ones that I live in. I think that I’m going to reorder these these are the ones I’m wearing right now. They’re called mi m e and they’re also very inexpensive these were these are 1609 and I got the clear ones because you can’t see them. So the difference between the ones that I’m wearing right now they have a clear cord and you can pull you can pull the little thingy all the way to the back of my hair and then you can wrap them up so they look like they’re not in my ears. And then again they wrap up and over. So that’s why I love these because they’re clear and so you can’t see them. These ones the ones that I shared before are clear in the air but they have a white cord so they’re not quite as see through as the other ones are. I find these to be easier to put on and easier to find the right and the left because the right and the left. This the right has the little you know thing here the volume thingamajigger on it. And that makes it easy for me to find the right or left this one That I’m wearing don’t have that. And since they’re clear, you can’t see. Like there’s it’s really tiny, small left and right. And my eyes are failing. So I’m trying to like go Is this the right is this the right and then I have to put it on my ear and there’s only one way to fit. So for both of them though, the annoying thing is that putting the headphones on and off is a pain. It’s not easy. I mean, I mean, it’s easy, I’m saying it’s not fast, it’s not like a second and a half. You know, whenever you’re putting on the your Apple ones, you just stick them in the ears when you’re done with this, you have to like wrap it over the ear and stick it in the thing and pull the thing. And if I have to take them off, it’s so annoying, which is one of the reasons why I have a Connect, I have a headphone extender for the road caster Pro. So if I have to leave, like let’s say, my daughter needs me and I gotta go check up on her. I don’t have to take my headphones off I just unplugged this part and leave everything else plugged here and that way I can come in and stick it back in so I can go I leave with the headphones on not plugged into anything. So ILGLena Gothberg16:10got I got a tip for you can just put some nail polish on the right one. So you always know the why the main one this one is the one that goes into your ear.
Elsie Escobar16:20I thought about that, but you know what I why I didn’t want to do that. Because if I’m wearing my hair back, you’re gonna be able to see the nail polish on.LGLena Gothberg16:30You don’t need a very bright Navy. I
Elsie Escobar16:32should put like, yeah, I think I’m going to do that and see if I can like put a little cord maybe in the back part. The part that goes behind my ears. Maybe I’ll put a little bit there. Yeah, that’s a great idea.LGLena Gothberg16:44Then I put the other question, which I think about that. So the other end the contract. I mean, what do you put into that difference? If you’re on an i on my iPhone or earbuds or whatever?
Elsie Escobar16:57Yes, it does. And it’s a good name. Yeah, good call. So um, Yes, I am. Okay, so now going back to me traveling with these ones right. The reason I travel with these is exactly because of what Lana just said, I have regular Apple earbuds that have the lightning connector, obviously that doesn’t fit anywhere really that I need like not on the computer when I’m recording and stuff like that. So I always have to have a 1/8 inch or one quarter inch is that what they’re called what I want maybe it’s 1/8 inch connector headphones, I always have to have that with me. And that’s that’s in case I have to stick it behind because everything else in the back of this microphone in the back of the other USB mic, they all need those specific headphones in order to connect. So yes, that’s really good call. Now I’m going to make things more complicated now. Whenever you get a device like this one, which is the road caster Pro, sometimes you need an adapter because the headphones that go into those, right there are not the skinny ones, you have to have this big fat thing. See that thing and so that what happens with that is obviously even if you have regular headphones, you can’t put this in here. You can’t do that. So I have one of these, I bought it they’re really cheap to buy and then that way you just stick it in there and then now you have an adapter and you can stick that inside of a road caster pro so there are some mixers or audio interfaces that you need to have this big fat connecting thingy. And there again, these are sort of like a tooltip tool tool kit thing that you need to have and they’re super inexpensive you get a little bit of like four of these and you have them in your you know tool bag and then you become famous whenever you need them and you go like oh, I have a quarter inch adapter. That’s when you’re like that’s when you’ve made it. That’s when you’re a podcaster people okay, I think that but that was a great call. Yes, Lina. Perfect.4Speaker 419:22So now so now I have like a crazy question. So if you love Love, love the $16 ones. Yeah, I just don’t know what I need the $200 ones for
Elsie Escobar19:32I know why I don’t
19:34Okay, I was just checking. I was just checking making sure I didn’t miss anything. Yeah, no,
Elsie Escobar19:39I don’t I mean, those $16 ones i the only reason but here’s Okay, so here’s the thing, the $16 ones that I’m wearing right now. I only wear when I’m recording. Right now here like not recording when I’m live streaming. And when I’m recording she podcasts because we’re live streaming. So anything that involves a camera I generally use these so that I can hear, and so that I look good. No other reason, when I record my other show where we don’t live screen live stream, I wear my regular ones just Apple earbuds, that’s what I wear, when I record that show, I don’t have anything extra, that’s what I record. Because these ones become a little annoying. I don’t like the way they feel like I can’t wear them for a long period of time. Like, by the way, if we do a big record fits like we do like a 90 minute show, by the time the first thing I do, it’s like, you know, when you get home and you take your shoes off your because you’re wearing high heels all year long. That’s what these feel like. You have to take these off, and it’s like, Oh, I love my, my, I just took my high heels off. So it becomes that. So that’s why we do it. Now, I wouldn’t say that you need you don’t need to buy anything more expensive than you know, I would say maybe like $30. And the key component to me is the the end where this is where you make it or break it and where you get to the $200 headphones. I mean, yeah, headphones. It’s the comfort level, and how comfortable you feel with them. Because I have bought cheaper ish, but not so well. $35 over the ear, like bluetooth headphones. And I wear headphones, most of my day, given that I’m listening to things on calls, recording, and listening to podcasts. So I’m constantly in a place of using headphones. And I found that those cheaper ones really hurt my head, and they were hurting it up here. So when I was putting them on the beach, they were so heavy that they were they kept pulling down and I was just getting not that they were hurting me too bad, but I was getting pain up here on the top of my head. So when just for she podcast live actually, one of the gifts that we got each other were the Bose quietcomfort like those, those really awesome fancy headphones. And when I put those on, I was like, Oh, my God, I am never going back. It’s like they are so like some of those fancy ones are um, it’s like wearing a cloud on your head, it feels great. And I can wear them forever. So that’s where the money goes in. But if you’re only editing something for like 1530 minutes, and you don’t really care, and you’re throwing it around, and it’s you know, it’s it’s no big deal. The other thing is that I wouldn’t suggest you get noise cancelling headphones to edit. Because you because that flattens out the sound. You’re not hearing what you actually recorded. I’m not saying that it’s distorting it. I’m just saying that there are some, like layers of sound frequency that your noise cancelling headphones can’t hear. So the subtlety and the multidimensionality of the audio is lost. So that’s why I don’t like to wear noise cancelling. But you can still do it. It’s not going to again, it’s not going to make or break it. But it also depends on the circumstance, I would not do it if I was doing an audio book or some narration that needed to be crisp and clear. But if I’m recording an episode of the podcast or the feed, and I happen to only have had noise cancelling headphones, I’m not going to be sad. I’m just going to use them and I’m going to go ahead and edit it’s I got to do what I got to do. You know, so nobody’s gonna know. Just me. All right, anybody else? We went deep look at this. I talked for like almost. Yes, Stacy, go for it.5Speaker 524:10I have another question. Okay, thank you so much for all of that. That was incredibly helpful. I appreciate it. So I wondered about editing. So I have seen people because I’ve only done I think I’m editing Episode 19 right now. So I’m still totally new. And trying to Bumble my way through and figuring out a lot of things as I go but I have seen people where when they pull up so if it’s an interview episode and they pull up the two audio tracks and that’s it, that’s all you have is your two audio tracks. Where and then you’re you’re seeing where the one person is not talking while the other person’s talking. And inevitably, even if you do like a noise removal, like I know, audacity has that really slick little noise removal that I’ve gotten kind of used to using so I’ll do that first and then and then still sometimes though, you’ll see little blips like Some person might have moved in their chair or maybe they’ve cleared their throat. This is a person that’s not talking okay? Yes, yes. So it’s going on in the background. So I’ve seen people where they go through and they kind of like quiet, like, highlight it and quiet that out. And I have been doing that. Now it’s a little, a little time consuming, but I feel like it might be a safer thing to do. am I wasting my time? Or is that good practice,
Elsie Escobar25:25I am a huge fan of what you’re doing. I salutely 100% agree that it’s a time suck. So that’s part of my product. It’s part of my process. So what I do is, that’s exactly the first step that I do. So the first step that I do whenever I am editing, and I get both tracks, is I process one track, and then I process the other track and then separate, like, not even together, like I just process the one and I remove all the whitespace that usually takes almost no time for me. I mean, not saying no time, but you know what I mean? So I have a routine again, for my ADHD brain. I have a routine of how I process that because again, it’s a really repetitive, not exciting task. So what I do is it’s a good one. Do you like your tie letting you into the LC brain? Cuz Yeah, I’m just kind of embarrassed by these. These are the things I do, but it works, okay. Makes me get this, okay? Okay, got it. So I have my headphones, my regular headphones, right, my apple headphones in my ears. Not step one, I have my computer in front of me. And then I put my noise cancelling headphones over them. And they’re attached to my iPad. And then I pick a movie that I love to watch or a TV show that I really want to watch. Because that’s gonna5Speaker 526:46you can listen to that and do that’s incredible. Because that’s a bit much on my brain.
Elsie Escobar26:51Because I just look at the I look at the wave sigh I look at the wave sound, right? And whenever they’re not talking, I just go through the motions of putting that sound down. If the if there is a little something in there in the way found that I’m like, Well, a lot5Speaker 527:10of times it’s the other person going aha or Yes. background. We’ll see.
Elsie Escobar27:15Yeah, and But see, since I’m only doing it separately, since I’m doing them separately, I don’t see the other one. I’m just focused on that one. And so when I see a little noise when somebody is going, aha, or I’m going Uh huh. Or you hear a bump, or whatever. Usually, that’s when I stopped the movie and I just listen to the sound. And then I make a decision based on how many a haws are there. So5Speaker 527:40that’s what I cut out about I cut out about half of those. Yeah,
Elsie Escobar27:44exactly. So then you I make a decision based on that. If I hear bumps, or I hear. Of course that goes away, right. And I’ve been able to kind of unseen visually, what sound is not a good sound and what sound could be talking. So I go back and forth. And I do that. That’s those. That’s my favorite part because I get to watch a movie. And I get to process this audio without having to listen, because I’m not listening. I’m just looking at the crap, right? Yeah, oh, after I do that, that’s when I put them together. And then I do another look, then this time I have to pay attention. I can’t hear anything else other than the thing. That’s when I do another look when I when I line up the tracks. And then I see I look for the times when we’re both talking at the same time, right? And so that’s when I make a decision. Either I need to keep this or it doesn’t matter what he said, or it doesn’t matter what I said, I can just remove this right and then I remove one or the other and it doesn’t matter because usually it’s we just mumbled over each other everything’s sense. Like, you know, yeah, content reason, that’s when I start to do that. And then I also start to look at it again, this is all visual, it’s not listening. There’s a lot of visual happening. I’m looking and then I go Ooh, that looks weird. What is that? Like, jump and usually I’ll find my coughs that way or, or another just by looking at the at the sound waves5Speaker 529:17just get used to looking at what certain things look like, Okay, and then that and
Elsie Escobar29:21that way I can start to tell and it’s fairly easy for me to get through that. After I do that and everything’s lined up and it’s all I haven’t edited for content yet. This is just for just sound bass stuff, right? Right. Okay, that’s when I export it out. I prefer to edit this way because I don’t know how to not edit this way and I don’t have time to relearn it. So how I export it out all into one track and then I just have the one track because everything’s been cleaned up. nobody’s talking over each other as much as possible. I’ve been aware of everything so now I just add then I can just go through that entire last master Track just to edit for content and then all the stuff that’s when I cut out like, you know rambling random mistakes, bloopers too many arms you know all of that that’s when I cut out all those things5Speaker 530:17yeah okay well I’m glad you said that because I have been doing that and and I and like I said I saw this person do it who’s you know a very well known podcaster and I thought okay that makes sense to me and I should probably do that but i i never hear people talking about doing that so I’m thinking am I wasting like is that not common practice and I’m just wasting my time you know? But I think it’s it makes sense to me but I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t spending an extra hour doing something that nobody else is doing in order Okay, okay, cool. Well thank you okay,
Elsie Escobar30:51welcome it’s like it’s my lifesaver especially when you have somebody else it really matters when somebody else doesn’t have as good a sound as you do5Speaker 531:02I yeah, I just ran into that and there is a big difference between her her stuff and my stuff and it was tough to edit that but yeah, okay, good.
Elsie Escobar31:11Yeah, in that respect, it makes them sound better.5Speaker 531:14Yeah, I had to add better. I actually could not fix her audio with my limited capabilities and I had to drop at least just her audio track to see if I could even save it into a phonic and they got it cleaned it up enough that I can use it but it’s it was not good So
Elsie Escobar31:31yeah, I always thought I’ll find it is part of my workflow too. That’s okay just oh wait I dropped both tracks into a phonic after I do that initial cleanup okay islands when all the silencing separate tracks right yeah, yeah, and I put it into all phonic okay and I put them together Oh and then I and then I start to look at how a bit because that way I’m already working with the best quality sound yeah sounds so much better5Speaker 531:57that’s smart because I was thinking it because you don’t have to do off on it get the very end right i mean your regular intros and all that you can okay good that’s a good I’ll do it that way then that makes more sense to me because I thought I was gonna start running stuff through there I haven’t yet and but I was gonna do it at the end and I like that much better No, I
Elsie Escobar32:17run the individual I run the promos that are featured on the feet like every time anybody sends me audio feedback and any kind of promotion for the for the feed. Yeah All of those are separately passed through So okay, I get so everybody’s levels are on the same and then when I put the show together I don’t have to worry about this part is too loud and not ones too.5Speaker 532:42So do you load them all in at once is that goes into all phonic like one project I haven’t done multiple files into there or do they just go in one after the other and then I
Elsie Escobar32:51actually use the desktop I bought the desktop in like my number one app that I could not live without it is can you
33:02can you tell us what this all phonic thing
Elsie Escobar33:06sorry hold on let me find Lina knows a phonicLGLena Gothberg33:12it’s magic it’s magic.LGLena Gothberg33:15Oh she’s letting you in on the secrets here
Elsie Escobar33:18yes I5Speaker 533:18know this is a man I’m telling you it’s saved the worst sounding track I thought this is such a great interview and I’m not going to be able to use it and I read I really thought that but if it’s gonna pass barely gonna pass
Elsie Escobar33:33so there’s a web there’s a web thing you can use the web but I actually bought How come I can’t find the the desktop
33:48Let me see I still have it
Elsie Escobar33:50oh my god I’m going to don’t say that I’m going to freak out if they don’t have it because it’s like usually they have the choice or you can one time credits recurring credits oh wait wait bionic No. Where’d it go? Oh my gosh. Lina. I don’t know what to do. No, they have to have it. They have to have it. Trial phonic4Speaker 434:18it’s there if you just keep going down it says I don’t want to use a web service can I install Monaco my desktop?
Elsie Escobar34:24on the desktop? Oh my gosh, they’re not doing good job showing their stuff.5Speaker 534:28Okay, my desktop is better you think okay, I’ll take a look at that.
Elsie Escobar34:32Yeah, so the desktop is better and you would get the phonic level or batch processor don’t get the multitrack multitrack is fine but get the other one. The batch Okay, yeah, the batch processor and it’s $89 or something like that. Yes. No, it’s not bad. And so you can use a phonic for almost everything. So again, it’s the number one way that I process my files. Mind you, I do clean up. Like I said, I clean up The audio prior, meaning the silences, I removed the silences prior. So when I put it in there, it makes it even better. cool and it’s so fast, I downloaded the app onto my desktop. And you literally just grab them, throw them all in there. And there’s a preset it already has all the presets you just have to say yeah, do it, and then it spits them out. And it’s amazing. I’m doing a I’m doing a thing this Saturday, this is not Saturday, this Thursday at 5pm I’m doing like a sort of like a presentation slash networking event and working with podcasters that would like to support multilingual and bilingual podcasters everybody is welcome I’ll also have a link here so that you guys can sign up if you want it is going to be amazing it’s like a it’s a completely incredible event I really would love if all of y’all would show up. I worked very hard on this and so let me tell you how I use a phonic with this I recorded the it’s pre recorded so I didn’t want to take the chance of bringing a bunch of different people in and having not be on point and i and i want things to happen fast and I want key concepts and I want more than that working than anything else. So I reached out to five industry experts and I recorded each of them answering a question for me on stream yard and I just did a quick thing I said hey, come on by let’s do this thing we recorded and whatnot and so I had all of their video because it’s a video presentation I had all of their video and then I cut all that stuff up I created an a big beautiful iMovie presentation so I edited the whole thing but I did find that my audio and my guests audio kept changing not too bad but there were some parts that some people are much higher than others sometimes I had put my sound down for one of the things and I didn’t realize it so the volume levels were off and so what I ended up doing is I put the whole presentation together in iMovie everything and then what I did is I exported it out in its highest quality I opened up the video and then I still actually no it’s not what I did I exported the movie out audio only okay so when I got that export out of the audio only I just grabbed that high quality AI FF because it makes you makes you choose either WAV or AF and I put that through all phonic and then I can’t grabbed it and I stuck it back into iMovie and I deleted the original audio oh wow so then it sounds so good I was so proud of myself because now everybody sounds the same it sounds like I did it all in one take5Speaker 538:02and then you don’t have to mess with because all phonic basically is handling the compression it’s handling handling normalization right all that yeah because I do not want to mess with that stuff. Yeah
Elsie Escobar38:15and so it was so good because I was so yeah, I just had to process it in and that leveled out everybody’s audio and it it gives a fantastic presentation and that was my fear like I didn’t want to sound different I wanted to sound as if even though you can tell but I wanted to sound as if it’s all happening live in it’s right did it you know live as much as possible. So obviously there are some things that give it away but for the most part the audio stays really consistent so I was super proud of that and that’s what a phonic is great forLGLena Gothberg38:49Oh you got a PhD in you know editing in phonics but I no answer that they usually say that the music shouldn’t go through.
38:59Oh yeah, you’re correct Yeah. Okay, so now music Okay, all music which is
Elsie Escobar39:03why I run my bits of audio in there separately Like I said before, because that way I have the bits and then when I put the show together, that’s when I add the Opening Music and all of that stuff and then it goes on top of the audio as it’s meant to be in its bad form. So it doesn’t because when you run it with the music, it degrades some parts a little bit where music doesn’t sound perfect and the voice doesn’t sound perfect because music is not meant to be normalized, you know it’s not meant it’s meant to be have a feel to it. So okay,LGLena Gothberg39:48and my next you know lying to you is ID three tags but maybe that’s a bit too much. That is what I do in you know phonic, as well if
Elsie Escobar39:59you do In a phonic I don’t do it three times in a phonic I do them in forecast. But do you use the? Do you use the downloaded downloadable version laina or the I’m onLGLena Gothberg40:11the desktop, and then you can choose if you want to, you know, add on it.
Elsie Escobar40:16I do on the desktop, you can do that I completely.LGLena Gothberg40:20So many things you can do on a desktop.
Elsie Escobar40:23I know I totally missed that part.5Speaker 540:26I have to look at that. Because I’ve been using the ID three editor ID three, as I was called ID three editor. But that might be if I’m already in, you know, in there might make sense to do that.
Elsie Escobar40:38Yeah. And are you on a Mac or a PC?
40:41I’m on a Mac? Yeah.LGLena Gothberg40:43pc?
Elsie Escobar40:44I’ll show you Oh, good. linna PC, I’ll show you what I use.
40:50Some of us don’t know what an ID three is? ThatLGLena Gothberg40:52is what that is what I want to talk about.
40:55Yeah, that’s important to know. That’s the metadata.
Elsie Escobar41:00It’s the metadata on the hold on one second. But here we go. That’s what I use. It’s free,
41:08overcast, overcast, has it. Okay.
Elsie Escobar41:10It’s a little encoder. So that’s what I put in there and it’s optimized for podcasts. It’s so fast and I love it. Okay, okay, so Id three tags are the metadata metadata is just embedded information inside of a file. So if you were to, you know, when you get files on your computer, and you’re looking at, like, let’s say, you’re looking at movies, or you know, something like that, that the files themselves like a video movie, like a video or an audio piece or something like that, they usually either have like a music sound on it, or it’s got a little picture on it. And you can see that and how from that information is actually embedded it’s been baked into the digital file itself. Every piece of digital media has this embedded information in it. Like sometimes when you see a picture you can see the metadata if you look into the information you see like what was used to take it what resolution it is, you know, all of those things were what like you sometimes it has the geo tracking on it, you’re able to see where that was taken, like all of that information is included in there. And usually what how that file gets that information is from the device that took it, they are imprinting that information in there. audio and video also have that and the audio has it it’s like the the name of the file so the name of what the actual file is called. And then you can actually add to it what the podcast is from like an album, album art or album where it belongs. You can add album art work to the file itself, you can add the title of the episode and you can even added like a description to the episode. You don’t you can add this information in places like Lana was talking about all phonic there is ID three tag generators out there. And usually they were used primarily for music. So a lot of the areas that you can see whenever you’re filling out this information is is for music. So it says like album art. It says albums song lyrics, you know it, that’s what it says in there. And then you just put like episode, our app episode or title of the show or your artwork for your podcasts instead of that. That’s what you put on there. And usually what happens is it embeds all of that information into the file itself. That’s what it is. Now,LGLena Gothberg43:55I also use templates in a phonic so you can do a template, so you don’t have to write everything over and over
Elsie Escobar44:04all the time. It’s time consuming. Now, here’s the deal with a lot of this stuff. A lot of the podcast hosts out there can write these for you. And when I say right, I’m not talking about right, I’m talking like that it embeds the information in there in the same way that a camera will do it for you. So like let’s take Lipson for example. It really there’s just a checkmark. And if you check, if you check off, check it off. It automatically will embed the information that you input in the description and your title in your you know show notes like all of that stuff is automatically just going to go into the audio file, it will write them for you. And you don’t have to do it outside so you can skip that step if you don’t want to do it. I believe that there are other podcast hosts that do this as well where they will also Automatically just embed that information onto your file. So again, you don’t have to do that. The only, I guess the, the thing that is the most challenging is that even we as an industry are still looking to find out whether or not or how much this is important. Because there’s a lot of people like you that totally don’t know what it is. And most of the time, you don’t even know like, you’ll go Oh, like if somebody, if you download somebody’s artwork or episode or something like that onto your computer, if they have IDT, Id three tags, you’ll be able to see them, you’ll be able to see what it’s called, and you’re gonna be really impressed. But a lot of people don’t do that. And that’s okay, it doesn’t really matter. It’s just hard for people to find it. When it comes to podcast apps. Some of them read it, some of them don’t. But that’s the way our podcast apps are. So even now, I cannot 100% say to you, you must do this. In the same way that I said, you need to wear headphones when you’re recording, I can 100% say that to you. But I can’t say to you, you have to fill out your ID three tags, not because I don’t believe in them. I do it. But because I honestly don’t know what the impact is. They’re even within us as experts that are designing the the like the dealing with files all the time, and having to look at it and consuming and all the separate apps, I’m still not seeing the case for being super 100% gung ho and telling everybody you need to fill out your ID three times, because I haven’t seen where they’re important. Because everything else is being written in a way that you can find the episode. So most people don’t know. I personally love it three times. But it’s not something I’m going to be like you have to do it. So it’s, yeah, we’ve been discussing this a lot, because it’s like, even the podcast apps can’t talk to each other. They can’t even know what they’re supporting, or what they’re not supporting, or if it matters or if it doesn’t matter. And finding the metadata for these files is just insane. So I don’t know the answer to that. I think best practices for me is to do ID three tags. But if you don’t get it, and it’s too much to add to your plate, there’s nothing wrong with you choosing not to do it, especially if you’re hosting without platform that if you check a box, they automatically do it for you. And you don’t even have to think about it. So2Speaker 247:53can you say where you where you put that into your workflow? Yes.
Elsie Escobar47:57So what I do is as soon after I export the. So when I export my podcast, I export it out into WAV or AIF app. So after I do the, it’s like the, essentially the raw file, right? So I have my conversation I put it into and I put the intro and the outro everything’s perfect. And then I export it out. And I export it out into WAV or AIF into the highest quality I possibly can the finished episode, then I grab that high quality episode. And that’s when I put it inside a forecast. And that’s when it encodes it into an mp3 file. That’s where I add the artwork, the title, the description, all of that stuff is already in the file. I just it just does it in like five seconds. It’s so fast. And I’m finished then I save it and it’s perfectly encoded for mp3 and for consumption. And that’s when I upload it to my podcast host so that’s how that’s how I do that. Now if you are if you are not using ID three tag editor and you’re just you still have to export it to mp3 right so the last thing that you have to do is to export into mp3 you have to convert whatever your final file is into an mp3 compatible mp3 file so that you can upload it into the podcast host. The reason that I really like forecast is because it automatically converts it into the right conversion for podcasts. So I don’t have to think about it. It automatically does it you can either pick to have a you know, stereo or mono file and it gives you a choice and both of them are optimized for podcast consumption. So you don’t have to Figure out all the rest of the stuff, it just does it for you. And you just drag it in there or you’re like import, open it in there. And it just like within a second, it’s a completely encoded, you save it, and you have a new mp3. So I’ve been using forecast to whenever I have to convert large files that I have to share with somebody else. Maybe it’s content, maybe it’s a little bit somebody needs to approve specific, our, I don’t know, vocabulary that I used in a bit of audio, I will cut that piece out. And then I will make it really quickly into an mp3 and just make it small, and then I’ll send it out to the team so that they can approve it. And and they can hear it. Because I’m not doing this for quality. I’m doing it for content, right. So they just have to hear Oh, yeah, those are good words. Those are the good words. Okay, great. So I can just keep that. And it’s it’s super easy for me to do that.5Speaker 550:56Can I ask a couple questions? One is about the chat. I can’t see back too far. Is there going to be a way to download it so I can get some of those earlier links? Or is that something you can download? I
Elsie Escobar51:07think that that’s it. I don’t think we had any more chat.5Speaker 551:10I think I’m seeing the authentic ones. But the ones that you put for the headphones aren’t showing up now. Oh, am I doing something wrong?
Elsie Escobar51:18I think that they should all be there now. I can still see them. Yeah. Oh, you can? Okay. Can you? Maybe I’ll hold on. Can you download the chat? Stacy? Can you look in that? Look in the, in the bottom part where you’re gonna write a message. Okay. Yeah. And now on the right hand side, there’s those three little buttons? Can you tap the three little buttons all the way on the right. Oh, little tiny, little tiny dot dots on the app? it like if you’re going to write somewhere if I5Speaker 551:54yeah, I don’t see that. That little ellipsis thing you’re talking about? I don’t have that. I wonder if I have my version on my iPad is old because I’m on my
Elsie Escobar52:03iPad? I don’t know. Because you’re on your iPad? I don’t Yeah, I5Speaker 552:06think maybe I’ll maybe I think what I’ll do is here in a minute. I’ll log off and just go into my my laptop.
Elsie Escobar52:12But also, um, what was I going to tell you? I this there will be links when this is posted is probably going to be posted in a week. Next Monday, is usually when I think she sends2Speaker 252:28on Saturday, we usually get the thing on Saturday that recaps and there’ll be
Elsie Escobar52:31a Yeah, the recap. Yeah, on Saturday. So you should have there will be links to all of that in the read.LGLena Gothberg52:37Okay. So don’t think you don’t think you can log on on your computer because then you are new into this and then you don’t see the chat, I think Oh, really? Oh, I’m not sure2Speaker 252:50but no, you’re right. You’re right. When you log back in, you only see the chat from the time you came on.5Speaker 552:55Oh, you know why? That’s why I can’t see it is because I kicked myself off after Okay. Oh, okay. That’s why. So yeah,
Elsie Escobar53:05I will
53:07see if I can ask now. I forgot what I was gonna ask you to save.LGLena Gothberg53:13I love being yourself. So I can just say something to her. And she starts talking. It’s like magic.
Elsie Escobar53:19Know, like, but usually I know we could be really good podcast. We could do a podcast to get Atlanta you just asked LC questions.2Speaker 253:28Stacy, I just posted a couple of the ones that that Oh, they’re wonderful. I’ll try to get the other thing also.5Speaker 553:35Oh, super, thank you so much. Oh, I know what my question was. So the other thing I was wondering about is and you kind of just touched on it, I just want to make sure I’m clear. So what you save after you’re done, come like completely done with editing your episode LC is then you save the WAV, you export, you save a WAV file, this is what you save, like in your you know, wherever you save everything. You save the WAV file that the mp3 file that has the ID three tags, and then I imagined the project file whatever da you were using, right then that’s it. So you got three files basically, or three, three separate files for each episode that you can go back to at any time. Is that how you do it?
Elsie Escobar54:20Yes, I actually have a lot more but don’t do that. Okay. Don’t do it. Don’t do what I do. So this one like I would do is I would down like I would, yes have the original high quality, WAV file, whatever that is that first thing. I usually keep the project file. So but that’s, you know that that really depends because that’s the thing that takes up the most space, right? Yeah, so if you don’t want to keep that that’s totally fine. I usually export everything back out into an external hard drive to keep for later at some point. I take it off Have my computer because I don’t want it on my computer. But that’s only if I have to read it. But you don’t have you actually don’t have to do that. But one thing that actually Steven Hackett just answered this question in one of the episodes for she podcasts that we just did, because this was the question that somebody asked. And he actually gave a really interesting look into this. He said, like, anything that is of the moment like anything that’s evergreen, is this is the things that he would save the most. Because like, I do only have the moment shows, like my shows are primarily reporting on what’s happening that week ish. So even if, like, I’m not I very rarely will have to go back to get that information to repurpose it because they had it really means nothing. Yeah, right for most people. But if it’s something that’s like this content, like let’s say this was a QA podcast, I would absolutely save the raw file, because I could repurpose my answers in the future. Right? I can like put things together sometime in the future, I can create something else from our Q and A’s I can reference back, if you’re teaching something specific, if you have an interview with somebody that’s famous, like if you ever really score a really famous person or somebody that you kind of like oh my God, this person is amazing. They’re Raphael is gold. Okay for you. Like you need to keep that somewhere like, Yeah, because5Speaker 556:30you might want to go back and even grab clips or something. Yeah,
Elsie Escobar56:34absolutely. But if it’s an of the moment like news and information, the way that I do that stuff, like I’m keeping all these things I because I’m a packrat. But in all honesty, I’ve never had to go back to do it. The only time that I’ve had to go back to reference to audio has been if, like I’ve like for for the final mp3, if you will like that. Sometimes I’ve needed a copy of the episode. Versus I need a copy of that little tiny bit that you did before, right? So yeah, you don’t you don’t need that. Again, the5Speaker 557:05project is the project file is not. I mean, the likelihood that I would ever need to go back to a project but my stuff is evergreen, but still I would I would think anything I’d ever need to grab, I could probably just get right off the raw file and Okay, and you’ll be like you said the project files take up a lot of space. Don’t say
Elsie Escobar57:25it’s crazy. Yeah. Sorry about that. Thank you for sharing the chat. You are Yeah, thank
57:32you. I’m gonna go write these down right now. Yeah, well, she
Elsie Escobar57:34shared this chat like you can only do it. Look at that. You can save the chat in there. That’s really cool. So you can download the chat there. Denise, you’re amazing.
57:44Cool. Thank you.2Speaker 257:47I’ll say Can you can you just say what you use for recording and editing? You cuz you mentioned one time? Yes.
Elsie Escobar57:52The Amadeus Pro. I’m a weird one. Yes. I’m not there. Yeah, that’s what I use. I just fine.LGLena Gothberg58:01I have changed into Hindenburg. And I saw that Hindenburg is, you know, gearing up to the international podcasting day. So they are giving some discounts?
Elsie Escobar58:12Yeah, they are. They’re doing webinars on September 30. So yay. All right, my friends. Look at this. We’re we’ve gone an hour on this. Denise, you were quiet today. All these ladies were asking all these questions. Do you have anything to add today or anything? I just love to see your cute little face.6Speaker 658:29Thank you. I am still wrapping up to get everything to make sure everything goes the way it needs to on Thursday. So no, no.
Elsie Escobar58:36All right. Awesome. Whoo. Heather, thank you so much for your for showing up today and listening to all of our things. In April. Yeah. All right. Well, I think we did it today. And again, all of this, I think is coming this weekend. She should be able to have reference to all the links and all the things and2Speaker 258:57an LLC, if you ever in your spare time want to do like, like an actual video of what you’re describing here. Like if you’re sort of going through your workflow, if you’re, you know, I had a camera on yourself as you’re sitting there doing.
Elsie Escobar59:10I know I find I have considered to do that. I think I did do that once. But I did it randomly. I did it as an Instagram story. And that was probably not the smartest. Because it’s gone because it’s gone. And that was before it was like I remember I spent the whole day showing people the steps that I did to get through an episode and whatnot. And it was just like, oh my god,2Speaker 259:33I’m very visual. It really helps to. It says little details. You know that Yeah, are fun to see how you do one. So literally. If you ever have time
Elsie Escobar59:44you Yeah, I know. Right? One day, thanks. Bye. Okay, bye. Thank you, everybody. See ya.