11-17-20 – Elsie
I’m just talking now into the
into the ether, because this meeting is being recorded and I am using the camera to do my hair
to do my hair yes yes yes to do my hair
Make my Do Not Disturb turn on? Because that would be amazing. All right. So here we are. We are chatting together today and we are going to be discussing all day, every day everything about how to uplevel your sound. And I’m going to be concentrating 100% on
Marissa, Marissa, you sent us an email or you sent? Well, you said that you responded to the question about,
which is podcasting. And she’s just starting out. Now that said at this point in time, she has been using anchor, and it is how she’s been recording. It’s how she’s done all the things, it’s a very easy platform to kind of figure out when you go into the behind the scenes of it. I don’t have any logistics as to how
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What else what else?
So I wonder I don’t know why that thing is showing. So I’m typing into
my Notes app but it’s like I don’t know why it’s bringing up the pencil thing. It’s two o’clock. It’s two o’clock. We are starting. Here we are. Here we are. Now we’re doing it in this place. And I’m singing the song to start on My Oh. So, welcome. Welcome, everybody. Thank you so much for showing up today to the She Podcasts Super Squad q&a, where the more I should probably stop the How do you say it?
she can actually do the whole workflow, right? When it comes to anchor. I’m not sure Marissa, if you were here, you could ask me I could clarify from you directly. Ah, I would not No, I wouldn’t, I would actually need to know exactly what you’re doing. But alas, I did listen to one of your episodes. By the way, Maria’s this podcast just for a quick like, shout out Marissa, this podcast is age, thoughtfully. And I listened to her last episode, the episode that she just posted. So I’m going to give you what I heard in the past, and I’m only going to be focusing on audio quality, I am not going to make any comments when it comes to your content whatsoever. Because the question is all about audio quality and what I would advise you as somebody that was listening, right, because there are like different ways to be able to do what you were doing there, it seems to me that you have a pretty decent microphone, Your voice sounds very good. Sounds like you’re on mic. I particularly love the sound of your voice at the beginning of the beginning of that podcast, I believe it’s an ad. And I believe that it’s a dynamic inserted ad that you had for anchor at the beginning of the show, whatever audio quality, whatever levels you had set up for that sounded fantastic. And then we kind of went into the content. And when the content started to come up, the audio quality immediately kind of dropped. Because it was being recorded. I’m not sure where you recorded it. Maybe it was done in anger, because anger has a way to record conversations with other guests. And so this was an interview format. Or maybe you are pulling audio like something like we have right now on zoom. And so now, zoom, the zoom call itself is actually the thing that is the audio that you or I would use to repurpose and put it into a podcast or something along those lines, right. So I’m not sure how you’re recording that. That said
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the audio quality kind of was a little bit degraded because of that. So there is a substantial shift, particularly because what you opened with even though it was a thoughtful snippet of your podcast episode, the quality of the audio was much of a lower quality, then your very strong introduction, aka ad that you had at the beginning of your show, which was you talking in sounding amazing. So then it took me over to that part. And so I was like, oh, okay, I guess this is the way that it’s going to sound. Then when you spoke I thought Oh, she is on mic. So she’s using a mic, but the levels were slightly off meaning the beginning of the podcast episode in itself was louder than the actual podcast content itself. There was like a loudness. I can’t say necessarily the right term is not volume, because that’s that isn’t the right term when it comes to that but there is that A shift a change in how my ear perceived those two separate bits of content there. And so I would have had to, if I were outside, walking around doing things in the world, I would have had to turn the volume up a little bit, so that I could get the same robustness of the beginning of the show. But mind you, my ear got achla, i climatized, to listening to you in this perspective. So I had a lower sort of volume going on in my ears and all of that fun stuff. Okay, so given all of that stuff, I did hear a difference. Even though you were still on mic, I do hear a little bit of a degrade audio, because you are using something remote, that you’re recording it. And then again, there was another ad later on in the show in that volume level also was a little droopy and a little lower than everything else. And so there was a lot of fluctuations when it came to having the audio quality come in and out, Barry types of degrees, it’s sort of like, how would I say it like if you are, if like, let’s say you’re painting a wall, right, you’re painting a wall, and then you start to paint a wall, and then you realize you ran out of that white paint or whatever color paint you have. And then you just go like, I think that this is the paint that matches and you you really buy it based on you your capacity at that moment to be able to see that that paint looks the same as the other paint, and then you come in and you you color some parts of that wall in the same white, right, that’s it’s a white wall and the same white and then but you realize that when you really look at it, you know, there’s little bits that are a different kind of different shade of
white. And you know, most people aren’t really going to be bothered by that, they might just look at the wall and just immediately just be like it’s just a white wall. And then there’s some people who are going to who maybe are a little bit more adept at seeing maybe they’re painters, like actual like not painters as an artistic painters, but painters of walls, or their contractors or designers or something like that. And they’ll come in and go like, oh, wow, gosh, there’s a different tone here of this yellow, excuse me, white wall. So that’s the way that some of us hear audio. For some folks, this isn’t going to be a deal breaker at all for other people that are a little bit more like, oh, what’s going on with the audio, right? Okay, so Mind you, Marissa. This is not in any way, shape, or form to shame you to think that oh my god, I should not release this episode. Because we all started that way. We all start this way. We don’t know what we don’t know. In fact, I’m sure that if you Marisa now go listen to my podcast, which I know he used to listen to back in the day LCS yoga class, you will hear that they are all of the things I just told you. I, I did. I have various amounts of loudness. In my show, I have various amounts of changes and in sound. So many weird things happening because I didn’t know what I didn’t know. I didn’t know. I didn’t know how to make things sound the way that I wanted them to sound because again, it’s a learning curve. And the only way to learn it is by doing it. So thank you for asking a question. And these and all everything that I just gave you the feedback on? In no way Is this a deal breaker for like, Oh my god, you should definitely never ever don’t don’t ever have a podcast because oh my gosh, you just need to get you just suck. Like that’s not yet here. We are all trying to uplevel and your question was like, how can I now uplevel my sound? Right? Okay. So if I were to give you nothing else, and you just did what you did right now, and I’m not going to yet address the funkiness that happened towards the end of that episode, which I know you alluded to at the beginning of your episode, and you kind of set us up for that weird sound stuff that happened. only going to talk about the fluctuations of loudness. There is an actual one thing that you can do, which is to use a program called a phonic and it is au pH Oh, and I see a phonic and that in itself is a lovely, fantastic app that you can have. And what you do with that it’s you can either have it for your desktop, or you can use the free version online it generally gives you have a set amount of minutes that are for free on the web version. If you download the web app. I do believe it is $89 for the app So what it does is I take my
edited, so essentially almost the edited file the last edited file, or actually what I do in all honesty is that I take every one of the bits of audio meaning my intro, the audio feedback that I get for the show my side of the conversation, their side of the conversation, if you don’t have both sides of the conversation separately, I will run the entire conversation through a phonic pay. And they had has presets, at least the desktop version does to level the audio. So all the audio that you’re using comes out sounding the same level. So you don’t have to keep turning it back, like down and up and whatever it actually brings the parts that are very low up, and it brings the parts that are really high down. Okay, so in that respect to get thrown out and not thrown out, it throws out a new new files for all of those bits. And then what I do is I put all of those bits together into my final audio piece, right, all the bits, which includes the music and all the things like that. And then I export that into my mp3. So all of the bits that I put into a phonic are the high quality, uncompressed audio files, which tend to be WAV files, or AI, f f files, which those are the most common ones that are used. And those are the ones that you grab. And those are the ones that you put into a phonic. And then it spits out an equally uncompressed audio file from that, then I grabbed those pieces, like I said, before I put them all together into GarageBand, it’s where I put everything together in there, I kind of create my piece, I create my entire episode there just by putting the pieces of audio in there, and then I export it out. And then at the final stage, I encoded into mp3. That’s when I upload it into my provider of choice, the podcast host of choice, and then it goes out. So all of that leveling and things like that, that is all done locally on my computer for all of the bits and pieces. Okay, now, let’s switch it over to creating the best possible sound when you are using a voice service. And when you’re using voice, you’re actually going to be using, how would I say it like this would be anything that is Skype squad cast, Riverside, FM, zoom, stream yard, anything that you at this moment are using, right anything that you are using to create the conversation with your people with your guests is the voice service. And for all of these, there are going to either be ways for you to troubleshoot what we’re talking about here, or there will be failures. It’s just what happens, there’s nothing else that you can do to fix it, I’m going to give you now a way for you to troubleshoot, or at least set yourself up for success with you recording into the platform that you have chosen. So at this moment recording into zoom with a guest they are calling in, you are doing the thing. Everybody’s talking. Okay. So in that respect, you can have that conversation inside of zoom. But the one thing that you need to pay attention to that most people don’t actually realize is that your bandwidth, your bandwidth, the way that your episodes are, are going up, right, the way that you are not episodes without conversation is going back and forth, really relies on this speed of the network that you are on. So
the most important speeds that I have found to be the issue a lot of the time are the upload speeds, not so much the download speeds. For most of us in the United States. upload speeds are by far much, much quieter, are not quite are slower than download speeds. download speeds is what the majority of the world is using. It’s because they want to watch Netflix and they want to play video games and they want to stream whatever content and they need to download stuff right that’s the magic jority of the world is constantly taking. But with podcasts, we need to kind of take and give as well, for something like we’re doing right now, having audio and video go up to the cloud, right, that takes upload speeds, and then you on the other side are having to download that signal back to yourself. If you are watching this or listening to this, after the fact and you’re not here live, then this isn’t really going to affect you too much. Because what you’re really only using is download, you really just have to consume. But if you were here, live, or you are the one that’s in conversation with me, then that means that the opposite person, my guest also needs to be able to send that signal to me, so that I can then hear it. And there are two separate speeds that we need to pay attention to the upload and the download. And again, like I mentioned, it’d be at the beginning, the upload speeds are the ones that mostly affect negatively, because upload speeds tend to be slower. Which is one of the reasons why the first thing to do when you’re optimizing for sound is to take the camera off, don’t see yourself, don’t look at yourself, it is just I know that for some people, establishing rapport with their guests, is important. And so what you can do is have people come on, and then you can say great, so nice to meet you. I’m so glad you’re here, you’re amazing. Okay, we’re gonna turn off the cameras now so that we can optimize for sound. And then you can just take it from there. And then that way it takes that off. And you don’t have to deal with all of the video, which is awesome. Okay, now from that, we are going to talk a little bit about how to deal with some of that back and forth, right, because some there no matter what bandwidth, you can’t really help it. So what you can do is just be informed in you suggest to your guest, you should really have a minimal of like a minimum, minimum minimum minimum stuff is five megabytes up and five megabytes down, which is really minimal, really minimal, that is not going to be optional or optimal for video at all. But in a pinch, you can do it in a pinch, you can absolutely do it. That said though, maybe I would say like, I don’t know, 1010 up and 10 down would be a fantastic thing to aim for most people can really support that. But now we’re going to actually talk about two other things that affect conversations, and particularly remote conversations. One of them is the time of day, and particularly for those of you who are in big cities, and are working off of maybe not fiber, internet, but you’re working with broadband. And so you realize that at certain parts of the day, even though we are mostly at home, and most of us are working from home, their general consumption, there are trends that happen during the day. And so there are times when those companies, the people who give you the Wi Fi, or that you purchase your ability to go online, they tend to throttle, right kind of like make the hole make the pipe a little more narrow, in order to
to make everybody’s experience be more on par. And so there are certain times of the day, when that happens. And whether it’s happening to you or whether it’s happening to those people that you’re talking with. That’s also going to affect the ability for you to talk. Generally speaking, after five o’clock, this is this tends to happen. So right around those like, Hi, everybody’s leaving work. Even though we’re all at home, that still happens, traffic tends to be higher at certain parts of the day, that tend to be those times when everybody kind of is like letting go for the day. And now they’re just gonna watch Netflix and binge on all the things right. So you have to watch that. Also, the other thing that affects a lot of the bandwidth is if anybody else in the household is currently using your internet, particularly if they are using or if you’re like on Wi Fi and your Not hardwired and you are somewhere else, then this is actually going to be affecting you, it’s going to affect your ability to, to not only continue your conversation, but also maybe your guest has other people that are doing online things. And that’s going to affect their ability to also give you the best and optimal experience when you’re talking with them. So those are things for you to think about and things to prepare for. Then we have the other aspect, which is that weird latency things that happens and that sometimes, sometimes that happens because of your computer power, or also, with the system that you’re using, right depends maybe zoom works really well streamer doesn’t really work that well, or squad cast works really well and Riverside FM does not. I’m not saying that that’s the truth. I’m just saying for you in your computer, there might be some wonkiness that might be happening in terms of the processing speeds and the ability for your computer to handle what you’re sending to it. Usually, when audio excuse me, one video is involved, it tends to be a little bit of a harder push. Again, for the same reasons. In fact, there’s been a couple of Q and A’s that I’ve done that we were using Vimeo live, to be able to broadcast inside of the She Podcasts Super Squad, and then what ended up happening is that my you know, my audio was off, so you see me talking, but my mouth was saying something different. And so those two things don’t match up. And then you get a little bit of a sort of like a delay, which also brings me to the delay aspect of it, which is what I kind of heard Marissa in your episode, that towards the end, y’all were like talking on top of each other. And part of it is is there must have been some kind of delay that happened. And it everything started to get kind of jumbled together. I know that sometimes certain services do that, meaning if you were using something like and I’m right now, this is on zoom. And I haven’t really had it happen on zoom before. But if you’re using zoom, let’s pretend we are talking here. And unless there’s some kind of weird delay, and then what ends up happening is like you talk over each other because something is happening in the in the loop, right in the feedback loop that you are getting, because it’s not happening right on time. Usually, in She Podcasts when I have had the crappiest, crappiest internet. And john has to bring me in via cell phone, and I’m on my cell phone. And they are, that would be Jessica and john are talking to each other using a remote
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service and I get called in via cellular, there is a delay, anytime that I speak because they are just in a different, I guess frequency of how we are communicating with each other. And that does become a problem. It’s quite annoying, and which is kind of what I heard towards the end. Sometimes that happens, sometimes it has to do with the software, sometimes it has to do with the hardware, there really is nothing that you can do on your end as it’s happening to fix something like that. Okay, you literally just have to deal with what you have. So if I were to give you advice, when you are recording directly into your service, and you’re using that tool to record you, then in order to optimize, you first need to make sure that the bandwidth is a strong strong bandwidth, you’re using strong bandwidth. The second thing is that you check the times of days for not only you but for the person that you are recording. And the third one is to just make sure that the computer itself is not working too hard, which at times when it has to take a lot of different processes, then there’s a problem. And so I have something that I use from my computer. It’s called trip mode. I have a Mac, I’ve talked about this quite a few times on the podcast. It’s called trip mode all together. And it’s a little app that you can install on your computer. And what I do is whenever I am recording or whenever I’m doing any kind of live thing, or if I’m presenting at some virtual conference, I turn trip mode on and you can actually choose which apps can actually talk to the internet. Because things like that are the ones that get pulled for yourself. I just got something in my ears. I don’t know what that notification was here. So I’m gonna have to I’ve gotta do this. Quickly, not sure if I have the Hi there. I don’t know. Hold on one second Marissa.
Oh my gosh. I guess I am so annoying. I guess I might have gone into the other thing that’s not good. I’m so sad that you didn’t get to do that my q&a? Did I do the wrong one? Anyway, Marissa, I’m talking about you. It’s a make me so sad.
Um, yes. So my question coming my personal, I don’t know what’s happening here, I was in the middle of the conversation, and now I can’t, I can’t see. So I’m going to just finish this conversation here, again. And in. So that was one of the biggest things that you needed to think about. I’m sorry, Marissa, that you didn’t get in. I just saw that post that just came in right now. And I’m just gonna go ahead and finish giving you as much information as I possibly can here. So that we can at least get you this in post and Oh, ah, so annoying. Okay, let me kind of think back as to where we dropped off using the tool. And then what was the next thing?
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upload download, okay, yes. All right. So we are just using those tools. And that you optimize by making sure that your upload speeds are appropriate to have the conversation, the time of day that you’re doing it to pay attention to and the power of your computer. Alright, so now moving on to the next aspect of it, which is the the fact that the way to make sure you do not have audio fails, is that you record locally on your end. So you have a recording that’s happening from your microphone into the computer, just your track, in addition to the service that you’re using. So that would be like a backup, if the person that you are recording with has the option of being able to record on their side of the conversation, then you ask them to do that for you. So that you have a clean bit of audio that comes to you. And then you can edit everything together. So you can actually add both sides to be able to make it work. All right. So there’s that aspect of it. Oh my gosh, so that is a crazy thing, right. And it becomes really challenging to be able to do post production for that, if you don’t know what you’re doing. But once you know what you’re doing, then it becomes great. This is also another wonderful way, if you do have an editor that works with you, or you will at some point, have an editor, this is something that they will, to some degree really require from you in order to really level up the audio that you have. So even if maybe you at this moment are not having an editor and you have to do it yourself, always start to understand the practice of you recording yourself locally on your computer, having a backup of the entire conversation and possibly, if possible at all, having your guest record on there and and then that way you can have a clean show in post. So it doesn’t matter if you have those weird things happening on the actual recording. Because you can fix all of that, like that last aspect of your show where you guys were kind of talking over each other, then you you actually could have cut to it and made it sound as if that did not happen. So there was a regular conversation happening at the end. So double unders are the way to go. But alas, it seems like nobody was able to get into my call today. And I’m very bombed because oh my gosh, that is so annoying. So we are now going to be able to go see I don’t know what happened. And alas next time we won’t have this happen. I hope Marissa you got a lot of goodness from this. We’re going to see if we can post this also either in the Super Squad so people have access to be able to talk with me then or have some kind of, you know, whatever. So wherever I post it, please respond to me and give me your feedback about what’s going on. If you have any questions, you can always send your questions over to the response. We send an email out in the Super Squad every single week. We wouldn’t be able to respond back to you. And therefore, that that is it. Thank you all so very much for hanging out with me today. And go ahead and shout out to me and tell me if you found this helpful. Thank you so much. Bye bye